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Thanks for your insights, I’ll definitely look into Element/Mattix. I didn’t know Signal was just another scheme to collect private data. But I always knew that

Thanks for your insights, I’ll definitely look into Element/Mattix. I didn’t know Signal was just another scheme to collect private data. But I always knew that WhatsApp == FB yet I couldn’t do much due to network effects. Decentralizing the web has never been so important as now.

tao_oat 6y ago
> I didn’t know Signal was just another scheme to collect private data I think that's quite a misstatement, but it is indeed a centralized service.
- lrvick 6y ago
  I don't think they -intentionally- exist to harvest user data. They just create a situation where they can be taken over by an entity that wishes to easily at any point, or maybe they are already tapped by an entity that has dumped their SGX keys and/or is tapping their network traffic to bulk harvest the metadata they helpfully centralize. The founder of VK had good intentions and was willing to protect his users too. The Russian government replaced him with someone more ethically flexible. The foundsrs of WhatsApp clearly never intended it to go in the direction it did post acquisition, but it was not their call. Gathering all users to a single choke point on a single client on a single server infra is irresponsible and unsustainable. We have been here before.
evgen 6y ago
Signal is not another scheme to collect private data and anyone who makes such a claim has their own agenda to push (as you can see from the other comments in this thread made by this person.) Do a bit more research, get a wide variety of opinions, and then decide which factors are most important to you.
- Closi 6y ago
  It’s the same as WhatsApp in some extent - always promised that they wouldn’t give up your data while they gained traction and then get acquired by Facebook and get forced to.
  - evgen 6y ago
    No, it is not the same. Signal is a registered 501.3(c) non-profit with a public board and cannot just decide to sell themselves and your metadata at some future point. Signal is also making ongoing improvements to protocols and apps to limit the amount of metadata that must be collected or that can be usefully held.
    - Closi 6y ago
      That’s interesting, I didn’t know that. Thanks for correcting me.

tao_oat 6y ago

> I didn’t know Signal was just another scheme to collect private data I think that's quite a misstatement, but it is indeed a centralized service.

lrvick 6y ago
I don't think they -intentionally- exist to harvest user data. They just create a situation where they can be taken over by an entity that wishes to easily at any point, or maybe they are already tapped by an entity that has dumped their SGX keys and/or is tapping their network traffic to bulk harvest the metadata they helpfully centralize. The founder of VK had good intentions and was willing to protect his users too. The Russian government replaced him with someone more ethically flexible. The foundsrs of WhatsApp clearly never intended it to go in the direction it did post acquisition, but it was not their call. Gathering all users to a single choke point on a single client on a single server infra is irresponsible and unsustainable. We have been here before.

evgen 6y ago

Signal is not another scheme to collect private data and anyone who makes such a claim has their own agenda to push (as you can see from the other comments in this thread made by this person.) Do a bit more research, get a wide variety of opinions, and then decide which factors are most important to you.

Closi 6y ago
It’s the same as WhatsApp in some extent - always promised that they wouldn’t give up your data while they gained traction and then get acquired by Facebook and get forced to.
- evgen 6y ago
  No, it is not the same. Signal is a registered 501.3(c) non-profit with a public board and cannot just decide to sell themselves and your metadata at some future point. Signal is also making ongoing improvements to protocols and apps to limit the amount of metadata that must be collected or that can be usefully held.
  - Closi 6y ago
    That’s interesting, I didn’t know that. Thanks for correcting me.