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At this point in time, it's too late. Step 1 of the steal was the intentional security reduction. It prevented most evidence from being collected, and this made

by knaq 6y ago

At this point in time, it's too late. Step 1 of the steal was the intentional security reduction. It prevented most evidence from being collected, and this made it easier and less scary to commit the crime. (we did get a horrifying Georgia video and then some absurd excuses, plus the Minnesota ballot purchase video, plus the Texas Judge with the pile of fake ID, plus the Texas door-to-door coercion, etc.) As I wrote above, for future elections: "Ink the fingers, since we're 3rd-world now. Have ID, just like India and Mexico do. All votes must be cast in person. Take extra pictures when voting (face, fingerprints, iris, retina), to better enable prosecution of misbehavior. No machine goes on a network. Every machine is observed by multiple unrelated people (don't know each other) for the entire time, starting from verification that it is empty and continuing until all recounts are completed. No excuses." There was no legitimate excuse for destroying what little election security we had. You wouldn't have done that if you wanted to hold a valid election, but you wanted to "win" at any cost. Some ominous words slipped out of Biden's mouth when speaking to voters in Michigan: "I don't need you to get me elected!"

nl 6y ago
As I said: > Can you explain any evidence at all that would convince you? And your response (TL;RD): "no". You've drunk the cool aid, and it's a religion for you. I'm sorry for the state you have reached.
rootusrootus 6y ago
Any widespread fraud (and it would need to be widespread indeed, without the benefit of hindsight) would leave ample evidence. The conspiracy required to pull it off is mind-boggling, and keeping that a secret essentially impossible. Ironically, Biden supporters have a better argument for believing in fraud conspiracies, given that Trump over-performed significantly compared to expectations in both of the last two elections. One man's "oh the polls must all have been wrong" is another man's "there were millions of illegal votes." This is a scary time for the country. I sincerely hope this is just a personality cult and will fade along with Trump. Garden variety issue politics are at least halfway rational.
- knaq 6y ago
  No. It's hard to keep a vast conspiracy secret, but I certainly never claimed that there was a vast conspiracy. There was nothing secret about weakening the election security. It was done publicly, by elected officials, using the virus as an excuse. That happened months before the election. Once that happens, people don't worry about getting in trouble. Individuals can act alone. There may be small conspiracies, like the 4 people who fed ballots into the machine after the observers left. Keeping a secret with just 4 people isn't so hard, aside from the video surveillance they didn't notice. I will agree that it is a scary time for the country. When an improperly elected person seizes power, we should be scared. When a person taking bribes from foreign countries is supposed to be the negotiator against those countries, we should be scared. When a tired old man with dementia is all we have to respond to fast-changing world events, we should be scared. You missed the point if you thought Trump was about a personality cult. The personality was fun, but the policy was what we wanted. He built over 500 miles of badly-needed wall, raised tariffs on China, didn't attack a new country, appointed decent judges, appointed a wonderful person for the Department of Education, put an end to racist anti-American hate sessions at federal employers, improved the H1B visa situation, ditched the Paris Accord, cut our taxes, got that pipeline approved, stopped China from using NAFTA via Mexico, got several peace treaties signed, and cut lots of economy-choking regulations. Just before that virus hit, he got us to the lowest unemployment numbers in recorded history (half a century) for black people and he got income inequality to go down a bit for the first time in ages. That's not personality. That's results.

by knaq 6y ago

nl 6y ago

As I said: > Can you explain any evidence at all that would convince you? And your response (TL;RD): "no". You've drunk the cool aid, and it's a religion for you. I'm sorry for the state you have reached.

rootusrootus 6y ago

Any widespread fraud (and it would need to be widespread indeed, without the benefit of hindsight) would leave ample evidence. The conspiracy required to pull it off is mind-boggling, and keeping that a secret essentially impossible. Ironically, Biden supporters have a better argument for believing in fraud conspiracies, given that Trump over-performed significantly compared to expectations in both of the last two elections. One man's "oh the polls must all have been wrong" is another man's "there were millions of illegal votes." This is a scary time for the country. I sincerely hope this is just a personality cult and will fade along with Trump. Garden variety issue politics are at least halfway rational.

knaq 6y ago
No. It's hard to keep a vast conspiracy secret, but I certainly never claimed that there was a vast conspiracy. There was nothing secret about weakening the election security. It was done publicly, by elected officials, using the virus as an excuse. That happened months before the election. Once that happens, people don't worry about getting in trouble. Individuals can act alone. There may be small conspiracies, like the 4 people who fed ballots into the machine after the observers left. Keeping a secret with just 4 people isn't so hard, aside from the video surveillance they didn't notice. I will agree that it is a scary time for the country. When an improperly elected person seizes power, we should be scared. When a person taking bribes from foreign countries is supposed to be the negotiator against those countries, we should be scared. When a tired old man with dementia is all we have to respond to fast-changing world events, we should be scared. You missed the point if you thought Trump was about a personality cult. The personality was fun, but the policy was what we wanted. He built over 500 miles of badly-needed wall, raised tariffs on China, didn't attack a new country, appointed decent judges, appointed a wonderful person for the Department of Education, put an end to racist anti-American hate sessions at federal employers, improved the H1B visa situation, ditched the Paris Accord, cut our taxes, got that pipeline approved, stopped China from using NAFTA via Mexico, got several peace treaties signed, and cut lots of economy-choking regulations. Just before that virus hit, he got us to the lowest unemployment numbers in recorded history (half a century) for black people and he got income inequality to go down a bit for the first time in ages. That's not personality. That's results.