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> I prefer people NOT proliferating this madness freely. Just the madness you happen to agree with, right?

pldr1234 6y ago
Bothsideism is not a good argument for preserving dangerous untruths. Also, this is a free market. Those who feel they are being censored can freely start their own AntiTube service.
- fbru02 6y ago
  it is funny how people with liberal tendencies resort to "it is a free market" when it is convenient to the them and if not they say it is rigged for people with power
  - txsoftwaredev 6y ago
    The same will cry for net neutrality and government provided internet. Go start your own ISP if you don't like Comcast (or whoever).
    - cheese_van 6y ago
      Two competing camps trying to fork the nation because they both believe the guys upstream keep making shitty commits, year after year. Unless those 9 reviewers properly do their job, it's only a matter of time before the whole project is deprecated.
  - wwright 6y ago
    That was exactly my point. It being a “free market” is why it sucks in the first place — but if it’s going to be a shitty adtech-driven brain-sludgifying monstrosity, the very least we can do is not actively promote the worst things people put into it.
- cmdshiftf4 6y ago
  >Those who feel they are being censored can freely start their own AntiTube service. I'm pretty sure that's been tried, no? And then the same regressives have ensured those services are: - Deplatformed by infrastructure providers - Stripped of support from payment providers - Deindexed, banned from advertising, etc. from search engines - Silenced on social media so as to not be able to get their brand / product out But hey, I mean it's a free world, right? I, as an impartial observer free from any consequences, honestly welcome the US tech industry to continue backing half of the US population into a corner, and believe me I will spare the same industry not one iota of sympathy when those same people inevitably snap.
  - wwright 6y ago
    Do you have any examples of that happening to people for actions that aren’t straight up pedophilia or racism (ie Stormfront)?
    - Vecr 6y ago
      Hate speech is free speech, in US law. Racism is absolutely protected.
      - wwright 6y ago
        Free speech is about government laws, not private action. Racist speech is protected, but so is the right to not propagate racist speech on private infrastructure.
        derivagral 6y ago
        This is what will lose them section 230 though, right? The bloc that "snaps" is going to vote, and those votes are going to have consequences.
dTal 6y ago
Let's not pretend that this is a matter of opinion vs opinion. This is a matter of truth vs counterfactuals. There may be edge cases where the distinction isn't so clear cut; this isn't one of them.
- colordrops 6y ago
  That wasn't the point the person you are responding to was trying to get across... unless you somehow think everything you believe is 100% true.
- fein 6y ago
  "truth", "counterfactuals" Words that no longer have a definition aside from whatever the user finds favorable for their own means. I prefer we remove all the stops and see what the chaos brings. Survival of the fittest. Zero censorship of political speech true or false by whomever's standards.
  - wwright 6y ago
    At which point in history did words have a centralized and objective meaning across all usages?

Bothsideism is not a good argument for preserving dangerous untruths. Also, this is a free market. Those who feel they are being censored can freely start their own AntiTube service.

fbru02 6y ago
it is funny how people with liberal tendencies resort to "it is a free market" when it is convenient to the them and if not they say it is rigged for people with power
- txsoftwaredev 6y ago
  The same will cry for net neutrality and government provided internet. Go start your own ISP if you don't like Comcast (or whoever).
  - cheese_van 6y ago
    Two competing camps trying to fork the nation because they both believe the guys upstream keep making shitty commits, year after year. Unless those 9 reviewers properly do their job, it's only a matter of time before the whole project is deprecated.
- wwright 6y ago
  That was exactly my point. It being a “free market” is why it sucks in the first place — but if it’s going to be a shitty adtech-driven brain-sludgifying monstrosity, the very least we can do is not actively promote the worst things people put into it.
cmdshiftf4 6y ago
>Those who feel they are being censored can freely start their own AntiTube service. I'm pretty sure that's been tried, no? And then the same regressives have ensured those services are: - Deplatformed by infrastructure providers - Stripped of support from payment providers - Deindexed, banned from advertising, etc. from search engines - Silenced on social media so as to not be able to get their brand / product out But hey, I mean it's a free world, right? I, as an impartial observer free from any consequences, honestly welcome the US tech industry to continue backing half of the US population into a corner, and believe me I will spare the same industry not one iota of sympathy when those same people inevitably snap.
- wwright 6y ago
  Do you have any examples of that happening to people for actions that aren’t straight up pedophilia or racism (ie Stormfront)?
  - Vecr 6y ago
    Hate speech is free speech, in US law. Racism is absolutely protected.
    - wwright 6y ago
      Free speech is about government laws, not private action. Racist speech is protected, but so is the right to not propagate racist speech on private infrastructure.
      - derivagral 6y ago
        This is what will lose them section 230 though, right? The bloc that "snaps" is going to vote, and those votes are going to have consequences.

dTal 6y ago

Let's not pretend that this is a matter of opinion vs opinion. This is a matter of truth vs counterfactuals. There may be edge cases where the distinction isn't so clear cut; this isn't one of them.

colordrops 6y ago
That wasn't the point the person you are responding to was trying to get across... unless you somehow think everything you believe is 100% true.
fein 6y ago
"truth", "counterfactuals" Words that no longer have a definition aside from whatever the user finds favorable for their own means. I prefer we remove all the stops and see what the chaos brings. Survival of the fittest. Zero censorship of political speech true or false by whomever's standards.
- wwright 6y ago
  At which point in history did words have a centralized and objective meaning across all usages?