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Please stop pretending that USA are not a violent country where mass shootings don't happen all the time https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings

Please stop pretending that USA are not a violent country where mass shootings don't happen all the time https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2020 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_th...

keiferski 6y ago
Almost all of these look to be local-level disagreements or semi-organized crime, not radicalized teenagers on 8Chan.
- notreallytrue 6y ago
  They send hate letters to each other with stagecoach services? The problem is that there is no such thing as "freedom of speech" it's BS, there is a right to have an opinion, but some opinions are crimes and should never become speech, let alone be public Corollary: public speech must be granted to everyone, because it's in the US Constitution, but you should not use it to badmouth the US
  - nitrogen 6y ago
    but some opinions are crimes No. The US does not criminalize thought, and doing so would be tyranny. you should not use it to badmouth the US Also No. The very purpose of freedom of speech and the press is to maintain channels for criticism and change.
    - notreallytrue 6y ago
      > No. The US does not criminalize thought, and doing so would be tyranny. That's why nobody takes Americans seriously and they need so many guns to get attention Fascism is a crime in Italy, it's in the Constitution Nazism is a crime in Germany as well They are not opinions, they are crimes Of course not for the US that saved lots of them and brought them home Or supported them when they literally destroyed South America instating far right dictatorships... > The very purpose of freedom of speech and the press is to maintain channels for criticism and change Says the country where every year tens of mass shooting episodes happen and never changed anything to prevent them, despite being the only place in the developed World where it happens and an insurmountable amount of criticism Do you mind if I don't buy your BS?
      - nitrogen 6y ago
        What is your purpose in this conversation? Have you ever lived in the US?
        notreallytrue 6y ago
        I did of course Did you ever lived outside of it? Not as an occupant of course, because that's what usually Americans living abroad do The point is to prove that "freedom of speech" said by American corporations is ridiculous and nobody should believe it, on the contrary, everybody should start to worry
        nitrogen 6y ago
        If you're sincere, you are definitely acting on incomplete information with regard to what America and Americans are actually like, and missing the point that it's individuals who need to have the freedom to speak, not corporations. If you're here with an agenda, well, whatever you're doing isn't making the world better.
        notreallytrue 6y ago
        Individuals will retain the freedom to speak even if we shutdown social networks. That's the point you are missing. > whatever you're doing isn't making the world better. Imagine what a nation founded to avoid taxation and that became a superpower by securing resources in half of the World by starting wars or supporting dictators that committed genocides is doing to make the World better...
      - dang 6y ago
        We've banned this account for political and nationalistic flamewar and personal attacks. We've asked you many times not to do this and have had to ban you many times. If it happens again, we will ban your main account as well. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - ByteJockey 6y ago
    > some opinions are crimes and should never become speech Hard disagree here. Unless you're using some definition of crime I've never heard of, opinions can never be crimes in the US. Even the advocacy of violence is constitutionally protected speech here.
Vinceo 6y ago
OP never said he pretends that USA are not a violent country where mass shootings don't happen all the time. OP implied that young adults PLANNING mass shootings on the INTERNET is miniscule.
- notreallytrue 6y ago
  Are you sure? Looks like 99% of the mass shootings are organized by young people and 99% of them happens in the US (in the west)
  - rglullis 6y ago
    What website should we block if we want to avoid another Boston Marathon bombing or men running trucks over people in Christmas markets like in Berlin? (I just realized that both happened mere blocks of my residence at the time. Maybe if I become homeless we will be able to prevent these horrific events)
    - notreallytrue 6y ago
      Let's start with Facebook and Twitter that are cancerous and see what happens... > men running trucks over people in Christmas markets like in Berlin? This is one of those events that we can consider extremely rare. Nobody can prevent the actions of some lone wolf
      - rglullis 6y ago
        So rare that a very similar one happened in the French Riviera just some months after? Anyway, the point is that we can not solve social issues with technological solutions. You are just acting on the symptoms but still never going to get a cure. Block a "cancerous" open site, and crazy sick people are just continue to do what they do in a darker corner of the net.
        notreallytrue 6y ago
        Yes, rare. Like a few times in a century, not hundreds times in a year, every year, sir. Closing social networks is not a technological solution, it's political. Public speech must not be controlled by private entities Unless you are the US and don't understand it. Crazy people with their forums for crazy people have no ability to target hundreds of millions of people through paid ads Please, try to understand it, because it's really not that hard There's a reason why every developed country in the World strictly controls firearms but not knifes There's a reason why the only "developed" country where mass shootings happen all the time is the only developed country that refuses to strictly control firearms It's the most evident proof of Einstein law of insanity
mrmonkeyman 6y ago
The totals are still insignificant. No matter how hard you cry injustice, your precious cars and food kill way, way, way more.
sneak 6y ago
480 deaths in a year in a country of 350M isn't a lot, and doesn't make a place "a violent country". Being killed in a mass shooting in the US is only approximately one order of magnitude more likely than getting struck and killed by lighting in the US.

keiferski 6y ago

Almost all of these look to be local-level disagreements or semi-organized crime, not radicalized teenagers on 8Chan.

notreallytrue 6y ago
They send hate letters to each other with stagecoach services? The problem is that there is no such thing as "freedom of speech" it's BS, there is a right to have an opinion, but some opinions are crimes and should never become speech, let alone be public Corollary: public speech must be granted to everyone, because it's in the US Constitution, but you should not use it to badmouth the US
- nitrogen 6y ago
  but some opinions are crimes No. The US does not criminalize thought, and doing so would be tyranny. you should not use it to badmouth the US Also No. The very purpose of freedom of speech and the press is to maintain channels for criticism and change.
  - notreallytrue 6y ago
    > No. The US does not criminalize thought, and doing so would be tyranny. That's why nobody takes Americans seriously and they need so many guns to get attention Fascism is a crime in Italy, it's in the Constitution Nazism is a crime in Germany as well They are not opinions, they are crimes Of course not for the US that saved lots of them and brought them home Or supported them when they literally destroyed South America instating far right dictatorships... > The very purpose of freedom of speech and the press is to maintain channels for criticism and change Says the country where every year tens of mass shooting episodes happen and never changed anything to prevent them, despite being the only place in the developed World where it happens and an insurmountable amount of criticism Do you mind if I don't buy your BS?
    - nitrogen 6y ago
      What is your purpose in this conversation? Have you ever lived in the US?
      - notreallytrue 6y ago
        I did of course Did you ever lived outside of it? Not as an occupant of course, because that's what usually Americans living abroad do The point is to prove that "freedom of speech" said by American corporations is ridiculous and nobody should believe it, on the contrary, everybody should start to worry
        nitrogen 6y ago
        If you're sincere, you are definitely acting on incomplete information with regard to what America and Americans are actually like, and missing the point that it's individuals who need to have the freedom to speak, not corporations. If you're here with an agenda, well, whatever you're doing isn't making the world better.
        notreallytrue 6y ago
        Individuals will retain the freedom to speak even if we shutdown social networks. That's the point you are missing. > whatever you're doing isn't making the world better. Imagine what a nation founded to avoid taxation and that became a superpower by securing resources in half of the World by starting wars or supporting dictators that committed genocides is doing to make the World better...
    - dang 6y ago
      We've banned this account for political and nationalistic flamewar and personal attacks. We've asked you many times not to do this and have had to ban you many times. If it happens again, we will ban your main account as well. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- ByteJockey 6y ago
  > some opinions are crimes and should never become speech Hard disagree here. Unless you're using some definition of crime I've never heard of, opinions can never be crimes in the US. Even the advocacy of violence is constitutionally protected speech here.

Vinceo 6y ago

OP never said he pretends that USA are not a violent country where mass shootings don't happen all the time. OP implied that young adults PLANNING mass shootings on the INTERNET is miniscule.

notreallytrue 6y ago
Are you sure? Looks like 99% of the mass shootings are organized by young people and 99% of them happens in the US (in the west)
- rglullis 6y ago
  What website should we block if we want to avoid another Boston Marathon bombing or men running trucks over people in Christmas markets like in Berlin? (I just realized that both happened mere blocks of my residence at the time. Maybe if I become homeless we will be able to prevent these horrific events)
  - notreallytrue 6y ago
    Let's start with Facebook and Twitter that are cancerous and see what happens... > men running trucks over people in Christmas markets like in Berlin? This is one of those events that we can consider extremely rare. Nobody can prevent the actions of some lone wolf
    - rglullis 6y ago
      So rare that a very similar one happened in the French Riviera just some months after? Anyway, the point is that we can not solve social issues with technological solutions. You are just acting on the symptoms but still never going to get a cure. Block a "cancerous" open site, and crazy sick people are just continue to do what they do in a darker corner of the net.
      - notreallytrue 6y ago
        Yes, rare. Like a few times in a century, not hundreds times in a year, every year, sir. Closing social networks is not a technological solution, it's political. Public speech must not be controlled by private entities Unless you are the US and don't understand it. Crazy people with their forums for crazy people have no ability to target hundreds of millions of people through paid ads Please, try to understand it, because it's really not that hard There's a reason why every developed country in the World strictly controls firearms but not knifes There's a reason why the only "developed" country where mass shootings happen all the time is the only developed country that refuses to strictly control firearms It's the most evident proof of Einstein law of insanity

mrmonkeyman 6y ago

The totals are still insignificant. No matter how hard you cry injustice, your precious cars and food kill way, way, way more.

sneak 6y ago

480 deaths in a year in a country of 350M isn't a lot, and doesn't make a place "a violent country". Being killed in a mass shooting in the US is only approximately one order of magnitude more likely than getting struck and killed by lighting in the US.