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I am not expert enough to weigh in heavily on what's the best way to do that, but I feel like "software engineer" is just a title to make us feel great while we

I am not expert enough to weigh in heavily on what's the best way to do that, but I feel like "software engineer" is just a title to make us feel great while we assemble our components much like the workers on an auto manufacturing line, but with a tiny bit more education and day-to-day work differences. However, with all the low-code and other tools which make it easier to write software and deploy it (crappy software, but "it works") soon we'll see "software engineers" turn into "software assemblers" or something like that. Sure, there will be a handful of programmers who will need to code those tools, or specialize in algorithms or writing code on constrained environments (embedded), but those will be the surgeons who make all the money, and the rest of us are the closers (whatever they call the surgeons who just sew things shut and finish up the procedure).

voodootrucker 6y ago
Lol. I took the teaching job because I was bored with "software assembly" (nice name). It was fun to get drop shipped into a random location in the world and go toe-to-toe with their best and brightest. I've since moved on to embedded development, and it is as you say. I've recently got to work on tensorflow light, pytorch, rust, object detection, compute shaders... it's amazing. The big company stuff can be a bit boring, but I can also say there's some pride even in the "glue". The team I was most proud of implemented Heroku-flow in their proprietary cloud using some kick-ass devops skills, figured out some innovative ways to solidly test their creation, and also got to write a genuinely comp-sci database diff tool to migrate data nightly from the original thing into their re-write. If you can build the trust, there's most often a good route to turn a terrible, untrusting, corporate monstrosity into something decent. But that being said, it takes a ton of passion and also sometimes it will just be dull and a hobby project is probably a necessary relief valve.
- lambda_obrien 6y ago
  I love your comment, thanks, it gave me a bit of hope, which is more valuable than most other things in the world (my son gave me the hope needed to get out of depression, maybe you will give me the spark to make my company better?).
alisonkisk 6y ago
If you ever met an assembly line worker or even watched a "how it's made" video you'd realize how absurd this claim is.
- killtimeatwork 6y ago
  Agreed. There's one in my family. She's literally putting the same kind of sticker on the same kind of car 8 hours a day for months or years (they rotate positions in factory so that people don't go crazy - but retraining for the new position is a matter of a couple of hours). She's basically a biological machine augmenting the factory pipeline and the company has her only because for now she's cheaper than a robot arm. I see zero parallels between that job and software development.
- lambda_obrien 6y ago
  Yes, it's not 1:1, but the comparison is apt, IMO. I worked in a factory that had a semi-technical assembly line, in other words we had to train the workers to some level of technical competence (medical devices) and I see parallels in how I was onboarded at my current company. They don't care about your technical designs or how good your algos are, they just want you to pump out ticket completions as fast as possible, ensuring you follow the procedures to the letter, no matter what. As someone who thinks highly of my own abilities (why wouldn't one think highly of themselves?) I feel like my growth is stunted and my full abilities aren't being used because of the strict environment and procedures. I understand why they are there, I know they are important for quality (I was a QA manager at that factory) but I think there are better ways than treating coders like assembly line workers. Don't take the comparison too literally, the actual work of putting a machine together is different than coding, and I'm not talking about "sticker applicators" type assembly lines, I'm talking about high-tech assembly lines like what I experienced (medical devices, in this case). I did base my comment on more experience than a few "How It's Made" episodes, though.

voodootrucker 6y ago

Lol. I took the teaching job because I was bored with "software assembly" (nice name). It was fun to get drop shipped into a random location in the world and go toe-to-toe with their best and brightest. I've since moved on to embedded development, and it is as you say. I've recently got to work on tensorflow light, pytorch, rust, object detection, compute shaders... it's amazing. The big company stuff can be a bit boring, but I can also say there's some pride even in the "glue". The team I was most proud of implemented Heroku-flow in their proprietary cloud using some kick-ass devops skills, figured out some innovative ways to solidly test their creation, and also got to write a genuinely comp-sci database diff tool to migrate data nightly from the original thing into their re-write. If you can build the trust, there's most often a good route to turn a terrible, untrusting, corporate monstrosity into something decent. But that being said, it takes a ton of passion and also sometimes it will just be dull and a hobby project is probably a necessary relief valve.

lambda_obrien 6y ago
I love your comment, thanks, it gave me a bit of hope, which is more valuable than most other things in the world (my son gave me the hope needed to get out of depression, maybe you will give me the spark to make my company better?).

alisonkisk 6y ago

If you ever met an assembly line worker or even watched a "how it's made" video you'd realize how absurd this claim is.

killtimeatwork 6y ago
Agreed. There's one in my family. She's literally putting the same kind of sticker on the same kind of car 8 hours a day for months or years (they rotate positions in factory so that people don't go crazy - but retraining for the new position is a matter of a couple of hours). She's basically a biological machine augmenting the factory pipeline and the company has her only because for now she's cheaper than a robot arm. I see zero parallels between that job and software development.
lambda_obrien 6y ago
Yes, it's not 1:1, but the comparison is apt, IMO. I worked in a factory that had a semi-technical assembly line, in other words we had to train the workers to some level of technical competence (medical devices) and I see parallels in how I was onboarded at my current company. They don't care about your technical designs or how good your algos are, they just want you to pump out ticket completions as fast as possible, ensuring you follow the procedures to the letter, no matter what. As someone who thinks highly of my own abilities (why wouldn't one think highly of themselves?) I feel like my growth is stunted and my full abilities aren't being used because of the strict environment and procedures. I understand why they are there, I know they are important for quality (I was a QA manager at that factory) but I think there are better ways than treating coders like assembly line workers. Don't take the comparison too literally, the actual work of putting a machine together is different than coding, and I'm not talking about "sticker applicators" type assembly lines, I'm talking about high-tech assembly lines like what I experienced (medical devices, in this case). I did base my comment on more experience than a few "How It's Made" episodes, though.