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Matthew Garrett, a senior security researcher at Google, is very critical about Google on his Twitter all the time. As he has pointed out, he's still very emplo

by busrf 6y ago

Matthew Garrett, a senior security researcher at Google, is very critical about Google on his Twitter all the time. As he has pointed out, he's still very employed. https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1334382463498391557 https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1334382463498391557 Neither of us are on her team at Google. (I'm certainly not and I doubt you are.) We have no idea how easy it is to work with her. Certainly if I were working with an AI ethics researcher I would expect them to ask difficult and uncomfortable questions. I think that's part of the job description.

mam2 6y ago
Because he was provinding real value. Her job was mostly a PR play by google, and she went contrary to that by actually slandering google all the time and stiring tensions...
spoopyskelly 6y ago
> Matthew Garrett, a senior security researcher at Google Not fired because that's a real job and not a diversity hire?
thu2111 6y ago
Google historically tolerates generic criticism of the firm or its actions. Gebru routinely makes slanderous and offensive allegations against specific individuals, not Google as a whole. That said, Garrett makes clear his ideological sympathies on Twitter. Undoubtably comments like this one don't endear him to his management chain: When @computerfemme was fired, the VP of security at Google Cloud sent out an email to the security organisation containing one absolutely false statement and one misleading statement, both of which portrayed her acts in a more negative light. Pretty serious stuff. He doesn't elaborate on what those claims were. The woman in question was fired from the security team for violating IT security policies: in her words, "All I did was make a popup to share the labor notice Google has to share with its workers", something that Google seems to have recurrent problems with staff doing. In other words she was rewriting the contents of web pages to meet her own political objectives. If I were the VP of Security at Google I would have serious concerns at that point about insider threats from sympathisers on the security team. You can't be publicly slamming your own VP as dishonest for firing someone who subverted IT policies if you actually work in security.
- busrf 6y ago
  Let us pretend together that you are the VP of security at Google. I’d suggest you take a stroll through Matthew’s twitter page for the past year or so and mark down everything you find seriously concerning and in your view making him incapable of performing his job. You might find quite a bit, and you might think “I can’t believe the real VP of security at Google hasn’t fired him yet!” And yet, somehow, he’s not enough of an “insider threat” to be dismissed.
  - joijoiwejrr 6y ago
    Well did he email his management with a list of demands they weren't willing to meet, saying that he'd resign if the demands weren't met? Because that appears to be what Gebru has done.
    - coreyem 6y ago
      Also, did he publicly attack his colleagues on Twitter for their race? “Bunch of privileged white guys” is not something you want to read from someone who you have to work with every day, she should have been fired immediately for that alone.
- berdario 6y ago
  > The woman in question was fired from the security team for violating IT security policies: in her words, "All I did was make a popup to share the labor notice Google has to share with its workers", something that Google seems to have recurrent problems with staff doing. In other words she was rewriting the contents of web pages to meet her own political objectives. This paragraph that you just wrote is one of those claims that are wrong and/or misleading
  - thu2111 6y ago
    How? That quote comes from the person who was fired. She explained what she did because she's proud of it: she injected some code into a web page about unions and organising telling Googlers they had a right to organise. The Google security team is frankly deeply worrying at this point, and I say that as someone who used to work there on security related topics (but consumer account security, not internal). A small number of them have privileged access to mandatory Chrome extensions that are used for various security objectives, yet they seem to have no qualms about abusing them to advance their own political agendas. Moreover they don't recognise that this is a problem. Controlling Chrome extensions that can inject JS into arbitrary websites equals root at google.com because everything they do is admin'd via web UIs. What if you're a law firm who advises companies faced with union action? Is it safe for you to use GSuite or whatever it's called today? My guess is no, because the people who ultimately control Google's IT infrastructure are (a) willing to break the most basic of IT security rules and then boast about it publicly, and (b) many of them are politically extreme by the standards of most of the world. Most astoundingly of all, I don't believe this is the first time Google has fired people for injecting JS into websites using internal security mechanisms to advance political agendas. In any normal company there'd be a mile of controls, processes and guard dogs surrounding any mechanism that could do this by now as it's been abused before. Apparently Google Security do not have their act together on this.

by busrf 6y ago

mam2 6y ago

Because he was provinding real value. Her job was mostly a PR play by google, and she went contrary to that by actually slandering google all the time and stiring tensions...

spoopyskelly 6y ago

> Matthew Garrett, a senior security researcher at Google Not fired because that's a real job and not a diversity hire?

thu2111 6y ago

Google historically tolerates generic criticism of the firm or its actions. Gebru routinely makes slanderous and offensive allegations against specific individuals, not Google as a whole. That said, Garrett makes clear his ideological sympathies on Twitter. Undoubtably comments like this one don't endear him to his management chain: When @computerfemme was fired, the VP of security at Google Cloud sent out an email to the security organisation containing one absolutely false statement and one misleading statement, both of which portrayed her acts in a more negative light. Pretty serious stuff. He doesn't elaborate on what those claims were. The woman in question was fired from the security team for violating IT security policies: in her words, "All I did was make a popup to share the labor notice Google has to share with its workers", something that Google seems to have recurrent problems with staff doing. In other words she was rewriting the contents of web pages to meet her own political objectives. If I were the VP of Security at Google I would have serious concerns at that point about insider threats from sympathisers on the security team. You can't be publicly slamming your own VP as dishonest for firing someone who subverted IT policies if you actually work in security.

busrf 6y ago
Let us pretend together that you are the VP of security at Google. I’d suggest you take a stroll through Matthew’s twitter page for the past year or so and mark down everything you find seriously concerning and in your view making him incapable of performing his job. You might find quite a bit, and you might think “I can’t believe the real VP of security at Google hasn’t fired him yet!” And yet, somehow, he’s not enough of an “insider threat” to be dismissed.
- joijoiwejrr 6y ago
  Well did he email his management with a list of demands they weren't willing to meet, saying that he'd resign if the demands weren't met? Because that appears to be what Gebru has done.
  - coreyem 6y ago
    Also, did he publicly attack his colleagues on Twitter for their race? “Bunch of privileged white guys” is not something you want to read from someone who you have to work with every day, she should have been fired immediately for that alone.
berdario 6y ago
> The woman in question was fired from the security team for violating IT security policies: in her words, "All I did was make a popup to share the labor notice Google has to share with its workers", something that Google seems to have recurrent problems with staff doing. In other words she was rewriting the contents of web pages to meet her own political objectives. This paragraph that you just wrote is one of those claims that are wrong and/or misleading
- thu2111 6y ago
  How? That quote comes from the person who was fired. She explained what she did because she's proud of it: she injected some code into a web page about unions and organising telling Googlers they had a right to organise. The Google security team is frankly deeply worrying at this point, and I say that as someone who used to work there on security related topics (but consumer account security, not internal). A small number of them have privileged access to mandatory Chrome extensions that are used for various security objectives, yet they seem to have no qualms about abusing them to advance their own political agendas. Moreover they don't recognise that this is a problem. Controlling Chrome extensions that can inject JS into arbitrary websites equals root at google.com because everything they do is admin'd via web UIs. What if you're a law firm who advises companies faced with union action? Is it safe for you to use GSuite or whatever it's called today? My guess is no, because the people who ultimately control Google's IT infrastructure are (a) willing to break the most basic of IT security rules and then boast about it publicly, and (b) many of them are politically extreme by the standards of most of the world. Most astoundingly of all, I don't believe this is the first time Google has fired people for injecting JS into websites using internal security mechanisms to advance political agendas. In any normal company there'd be a mile of controls, processes and guard dogs surrounding any mechanism that could do this by now as it's been abused before. Apparently Google Security do not have their act together on this.