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I don't see how that's any different from Microsoft, Amazon, or any other major tech company that makes the front page of HN. In fact the only difference I can

by _dibly 6y ago

I don't see how that's any different from Microsoft, Amazon, or any other major tech company that makes the front page of HN. In fact the only difference I can think of is that there's always some degree of reactionary discourse when Apple is mentioned by people who feel the need to defend the company personally. You never see this type of comment on a thread full of people complaining about Windows or AWS, but you almost always see it when there are a few comments critical of Apple.

sgerenser 6y ago
If you really want to see “reactionary discourse” check out any article critical of Tesla.
- mlindner 6y ago
  Historically the attacks against Tesla have only been matched by the ferocity of political attack ads. So a lot of fans of Tesla get very defensive about them.
rbrtl 6y ago
I think the reactionaries in any of these conversations are the ones advocating that Apple not improve security, i.e. that they don't make progress in protecting their users. There are many reactive voices speaking out in support of Apple, but they are responding to those who complain (for the most part) from the outside, or on their way out of Apple's door.
- _dibly 6y ago
  I specifically mean reacting to the criticism Apple is getting. You see the same level of criticism of any major tech company in the comments section of the front page but very rarely are those criticisms followed up by a bunch of users defending the tech company in the comment section. You're arguing a weird semantic that doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm saying.
  - rbrtl 6y ago
    Yeah that’s reactive, rather than reactionary. It’s a significant definition, particularly as reactionary tends to be used pejoratively to describe the proverbial “stick in the mud”. And my point was that the very fact that Apple is the one with defendants, among the technologists who tend to make up HN commenters, should make one wonder if they aren’t doing some of those things right, not that the supporting commenters are mouth-breathing dullards who just “don’t get it”. Apple are getting bad press right now over pushing for a bill in the US designed to eliminate slavery from supply chains, and I will join the voices calling on them to take responsibility for that. But in reference to how they control their hardware-software ecosystem for their customers, the reactionary point of view is that they shouldn’t be progressing towards a user-safe environment.
    - rbrtl 6y ago
      Well clearly I’m losing this debate to people who can’t even be bothered to use the words that actually mean what they’re trying to say. Snore
      - rbrtl 6y ago
        Cool. More cowardly downvotes. My respect for the users of this platform is plummeting. I get that I’m being snarky, but it’s just polite to tell people why their comment deserves a downvote. Am I wrong? Have I missed the point? Or have I butthurt a tender ego that can’t stand a minor correction on a trivial point in an online argument. I’m out
        _dibly 6y ago
        Maybe don't get into an argument about semantics when it's pretty clear what the person you replied to originally meant. Half the comments in this thread are reacting to the negative comments about Apple in this thread. Typically for other big tech companies you don't see that because there's a huge bias towards Apple on HN. Idk why you went totally off the rails because of "cowardly" downvotes but I assume that you received them because you were very clearly misconstruing my statement.

by _dibly 6y ago

sgerenser 6y ago

If you really want to see “reactionary discourse” check out any article critical of Tesla.

mlindner 6y ago
Historically the attacks against Tesla have only been matched by the ferocity of political attack ads. So a lot of fans of Tesla get very defensive about them.

rbrtl 6y ago

I think the reactionaries in any of these conversations are the ones advocating that Apple not improve security, i.e. that they don't make progress in protecting their users. There are many reactive voices speaking out in support of Apple, but they are responding to those who complain (for the most part) from the outside, or on their way out of Apple's door.

_dibly 6y ago
I specifically mean reacting to the criticism Apple is getting. You see the same level of criticism of any major tech company in the comments section of the front page but very rarely are those criticisms followed up by a bunch of users defending the tech company in the comment section. You're arguing a weird semantic that doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm saying.
- rbrtl 6y ago
  Yeah that’s reactive, rather than reactionary. It’s a significant definition, particularly as reactionary tends to be used pejoratively to describe the proverbial “stick in the mud”. And my point was that the very fact that Apple is the one with defendants, among the technologists who tend to make up HN commenters, should make one wonder if they aren’t doing some of those things right, not that the supporting commenters are mouth-breathing dullards who just “don’t get it”. Apple are getting bad press right now over pushing for a bill in the US designed to eliminate slavery from supply chains, and I will join the voices calling on them to take responsibility for that. But in reference to how they control their hardware-software ecosystem for their customers, the reactionary point of view is that they shouldn’t be progressing towards a user-safe environment.
  - rbrtl 6y ago
    Well clearly I’m losing this debate to people who can’t even be bothered to use the words that actually mean what they’re trying to say. Snore
    - rbrtl 6y ago
      Cool. More cowardly downvotes. My respect for the users of this platform is plummeting. I get that I’m being snarky, but it’s just polite to tell people why their comment deserves a downvote. Am I wrong? Have I missed the point? Or have I butthurt a tender ego that can’t stand a minor correction on a trivial point in an online argument. I’m out
      - _dibly 6y ago
        Maybe don't get into an argument about semantics when it's pretty clear what the person you replied to originally meant. Half the comments in this thread are reacting to the negative comments about Apple in this thread. Typically for other big tech companies you don't see that because there's a huge bias towards Apple on HN. Idk why you went totally off the rails because of "cowardly" downvotes but I assume that you received them because you were very clearly misconstruing my statement.