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Slack is a messy one page app developed by PHP programmers and vscode is open source and actually made by competent people.

jonny383 6y ago
And I suppose Facebook is therefore also developed by incompetent PHP programmers despite being one of the largest technology companies in the world?
- cannedslime 6y ago
  Yes. I am not even joking. Facebook was so terrible that they had to literally reinvent their wheels (hiphop). Its not hard to become a large company when you have black budget backing as confirmed by Snowden.
  - girvo 6y ago
    Your own sentence argues against itself: the team that built HHVM certainly are not "terrible PHP developers"...
    - cannedslime 6y ago
      You don't think its strange that facebook hired PHP programmers to create the product and then have to hire competent people to fix that shit as far removed from company logic as possible? Doesn't it kinda make you think, just a little?
      - vagrantJin 6y ago
        I hope you are joking. Those people you call incompetent built arguably the best web application in the world propelling itself into a global corporate juggernaut and that qualifies as built by incompetent people? The hubris is frightening.
mrweasel 6y ago
Slack is really weird. It seems like they would have the resources to do native applications. I can't fault anyone for doing an Electron app as a demo, prototype, MVP, that's seems completely reasonable. What I don't get is why they don't want to make a native macOS client, or Windows client. For Linux I get that they don't necessarily know if it should be GTK, QT, should they adopt KDE standards or Gnome, something else maybe? I can see why they would like Electron in that case. For something like the Mac... They could do a fantastic client, it would use very little memory, play nice with the OS and be fast. Their users would notice and love it.
- ulfw 6y ago
  Especially considering they already have a good iOS Client with their iPad app!
  - mrweasel 6y ago
    People could perhaps already use that on the M1 Macs and have a better experience.
- mrtksn 6y ago
  Maybe it's easy to sell the "One codebase on all platform" idea to the managers and hard to justify the need for high quality app? People are using it anyway.
- paxys 6y ago
  They have to build and maintain the web version regardless. Why also write individual clients for Windows, Mac and Linux when they can simply wrap the website in a thin desktop wrapper and call it a day?
  - mrweasel 6y ago
    Because they care about the user experience and delivering the best possible product to their customers? Maybe not.

jonny383 6y ago

And I suppose Facebook is therefore also developed by incompetent PHP programmers despite being one of the largest technology companies in the world?

cannedslime 6y ago
Yes. I am not even joking. Facebook was so terrible that they had to literally reinvent their wheels (hiphop). Its not hard to become a large company when you have black budget backing as confirmed by Snowden.
- girvo 6y ago
  Your own sentence argues against itself: the team that built HHVM certainly are not "terrible PHP developers"...
  - cannedslime 6y ago
    You don't think its strange that facebook hired PHP programmers to create the product and then have to hire competent people to fix that shit as far removed from company logic as possible? Doesn't it kinda make you think, just a little?
    - vagrantJin 6y ago
      I hope you are joking. Those people you call incompetent built arguably the best web application in the world propelling itself into a global corporate juggernaut and that qualifies as built by incompetent people? The hubris is frightening.

mrweasel 6y ago

Slack is really weird. It seems like they would have the resources to do native applications. I can't fault anyone for doing an Electron app as a demo, prototype, MVP, that's seems completely reasonable. What I don't get is why they don't want to make a native macOS client, or Windows client. For Linux I get that they don't necessarily know if it should be GTK, QT, should they adopt KDE standards or Gnome, something else maybe? I can see why they would like Electron in that case. For something like the Mac... They could do a fantastic client, it would use very little memory, play nice with the OS and be fast. Their users would notice and love it.

ulfw 6y ago
Especially considering they already have a good iOS Client with their iPad app!
- mrweasel 6y ago
  People could perhaps already use that on the M1 Macs and have a better experience.
mrtksn 6y ago
Maybe it's easy to sell the "One codebase on all platform" idea to the managers and hard to justify the need for high quality app? People are using it anyway.
paxys 6y ago
They have to build and maintain the web version regardless. Why also write individual clients for Windows, Mac and Linux when they can simply wrap the website in a thin desktop wrapper and call it a day?
- mrweasel 6y ago
  Because they care about the user experience and delivering the best possible product to their customers? Maybe not.