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This dude knows nothing about why Trump won if he thinks I went from Obama to Trump because I'm a closet racist. Maybe it had to do with all the war, bombing,

by alttab 6y ago

This dude knows nothing about why Trump won if he thinks I went from Obama to Trump because I'm a closet racist. Maybe it had to do with all the war, bombing, and drone campaigns?

jacquesm 6y ago
It's the company you keep... As if the Republican side didn't have enough bombings, drone strikes and so on. Yes, Obama disappointed on quite a few fronts. But choosing Trump of Clinton was just plain stupid, face it.
- forest_dweller 6y ago
  > It's the company you keep ... What is that supposed to mean? > As if the Republican side didn't have enough bombings, drone strikes and so on. I have a few friends at work that are from Pakistan. They prefer Trump over Obama because he isn't droning their homeland. So they think Trump is an improvement. > But choosing Trump of Clinton was just plain stupid, face it. This is why everything is becoming polarised. This assumption that the other side is stupid or evil or both. A lot of voters were turned off by Clinton calling Trump supporters deplorable. Others were worried after Clinton said she wanted to put a no-fly zone over Syria which would have meant a direct conflict with Russia. I still remember Christopher Hitchen's scathing criticism of the Clitons. https://christopherhitchens.net/hillary-clinton https://christopherhitchens.net/hillary-clinton He wrote a whole book about them IIRC. There are a lot of valid criticisms of both Trump and Clinton however calling people stupid isn't going to convince anyone of your position.
  - jmeister 6y ago
    It boggles my mind that there is still no sensible “establishment” understanding of why Trump was elected. There was no honest post-mortem after 2016, only blaming sexism, racism or Russian interference. No lessons learnt. This column by Russ Douthat from a couple of days back summarizes the failure: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/30/opinion/trump-republican-democratic-party.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/30/opinion/trump-republican-...
    - finnthehuman 6y ago
      Any explanation approaching accuracy undercuts the establishment and can not be acknowledged. It's not the kind of tactical mistake they can own up to, but one that cuts uncomfortably close to admitting they're doing the country a deliberate disservice. The explanation is there if anyone wants to see it. The Rolling Stone's political editor was calling it 6 months before Trump was even elected. >It turns out we let our electoral process devolve into something so fake and dysfunctional that any half-bright con man with the stones to try it could walk right through the front door and tear it to shreds on the first go. [...] [Trump] likes being famous, which got him into reality TV. He knows show business. That put him in position to understand that the presidential election campaign is really just a badly acted, billion-dollar TV show whose production costs ludicrously include the political disenfranchisement of its audience.
      - webmaven 6y ago
        Link?
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  > It's the company you keep... ... is a very common saying in actually racist groups that think themselves above others. Alternatively it can also be the language you speak... that gives you away.

by alttab 6y ago

This dude knows nothing about why Trump won if he thinks I went from Obama to Trump because I'm a closet racist. Maybe it had to do with all the war, bombing, and drone campaigns?

jacquesm 6y ago

It's the company you keep... As if the Republican side didn't have enough bombings, drone strikes and so on. Yes, Obama disappointed on quite a few fronts. But choosing Trump of Clinton was just plain stupid, face it.

forest_dweller 6y ago
> It's the company you keep ... What is that supposed to mean? > As if the Republican side didn't have enough bombings, drone strikes and so on. I have a few friends at work that are from Pakistan. They prefer Trump over Obama because he isn't droning their homeland. So they think Trump is an improvement. > But choosing Trump of Clinton was just plain stupid, face it. This is why everything is becoming polarised. This assumption that the other side is stupid or evil or both. A lot of voters were turned off by Clinton calling Trump supporters deplorable. Others were worried after Clinton said she wanted to put a no-fly zone over Syria which would have meant a direct conflict with Russia. I still remember Christopher Hitchen's scathing criticism of the Clitons. https://christopherhitchens.net/hillary-clinton https://christopherhitchens.net/hillary-clinton He wrote a whole book about them IIRC. There are a lot of valid criticisms of both Trump and Clinton however calling people stupid isn't going to convince anyone of your position.
- jmeister 6y ago
  It boggles my mind that there is still no sensible “establishment” understanding of why Trump was elected. There was no honest post-mortem after 2016, only blaming sexism, racism or Russian interference. No lessons learnt. This column by Russ Douthat from a couple of days back summarizes the failure: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/30/opinion/trump-republican-democratic-party.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/30/opinion/trump-republican-...
  - finnthehuman 6y ago
    Any explanation approaching accuracy undercuts the establishment and can not be acknowledged. It's not the kind of tactical mistake they can own up to, but one that cuts uncomfortably close to admitting they're doing the country a deliberate disservice. The explanation is there if anyone wants to see it. The Rolling Stone's political editor was calling it 6 months before Trump was even elected. >It turns out we let our electoral process devolve into something so fake and dysfunctional that any half-bright con man with the stones to try it could walk right through the front door and tear it to shreds on the first go. [...] [Trump] likes being famous, which got him into reality TV. He knows show business. That put him in position to understand that the presidential election campaign is really just a badly acted, billion-dollar TV show whose production costs ludicrously include the political disenfranchisement of its audience.
    - webmaven 6y ago
      Link?
raxxorrax 6y ago
> It's the company you keep... ... is a very common saying in actually racist groups that think themselves above others. Alternatively it can also be the language you speak... that gives you away.