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This is a distraction. Prison needs to be abolished. Let's concentrate on that instead.

by geowwy 6y ago

the-dude 6y ago
Do you have a handful of examples where this worked well?
- iso947 6y ago
  Not abolished entirely, but every western country has a better prison system than US Here’s a handful of examples of reducing prison intake https://www.mic.com/articles/109138/sweden-has-done-for-its-prisoners-what-the-u-s-won-t https://www.mic.com/articles/109138/sweden-has-done-for-its-... https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/youth-offenders_balancing-punishment-and-rehabilitation/36935366 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/youth-offenders_balancing-punis... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/12/why-are-there-so-few-prisoners-in-the-netherlands https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/12/why-are-there-...
  - the-dude 6y ago
    That is a different claim entirely. I am from NL btw : "better" systems have their own set of problems.
eznzt 6y ago
And what do we do with people who are just too dangerous to keep about?
- m0zg 6y ago
  That part is actually easy. We just send them to geowwy's neighborhood, so he could have the pleasure of getting stabbed or shot in the street for his wallet.
- souprock 6y ago
  He didn't say anything about other punishment. There are many traditional punishments that have been used for thousands of years, some of which are still in use today. For example, the problem of shoplifting in Saudi Arabia is handled without incarceration. Maybe that is what he prefers. If there isn't punishment, then nothing stops anybody from getting a group of friends together to dish out punishment. It'd be like Somalia. Eventually, if the group gets big and well-organized, it might be recognized internationally as the legitimate government.
esc_colon_q 6y ago
Most people strongly disagree with you. You need to offer an argument, not an assertion, since you're callit for a major and unpopular change. And if like many of my lefty friends by "abolish" you actually mean something that doesn't even come close to meaning "abolish", you're just causing problems with your abuse of language.

This is a distraction. Prison needs to be abolished. Let's concentrate on that instead.

by geowwy 6y ago

This is a distraction. Prison needs to be abolished. Let's concentrate on that instead.

the-dude 6y ago

Do you have a handful of examples where this worked well?

iso947 6y ago
Not abolished entirely, but every western country has a better prison system than US Here’s a handful of examples of reducing prison intake https://www.mic.com/articles/109138/sweden-has-done-for-its-prisoners-what-the-u-s-won-t https://www.mic.com/articles/109138/sweden-has-done-for-its-... https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/youth-offenders_balancing-punishment-and-rehabilitation/36935366 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/youth-offenders_balancing-punis... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/12/why-are-there-so-few-prisoners-in-the-netherlands https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/12/why-are-there-...
- the-dude 6y ago
  That is a different claim entirely. I am from NL btw : "better" systems have their own set of problems.

eznzt 6y ago

And what do we do with people who are just too dangerous to keep about?

m0zg 6y ago
That part is actually easy. We just send them to geowwy's neighborhood, so he could have the pleasure of getting stabbed or shot in the street for his wallet.
souprock 6y ago
He didn't say anything about other punishment. There are many traditional punishments that have been used for thousands of years, some of which are still in use today. For example, the problem of shoplifting in Saudi Arabia is handled without incarceration. Maybe that is what he prefers. If there isn't punishment, then nothing stops anybody from getting a group of friends together to dish out punishment. It'd be like Somalia. Eventually, if the group gets big and well-organized, it might be recognized internationally as the legitimate government.

esc_colon_q 6y ago

Most people strongly disagree with you. You need to offer an argument, not an assertion, since you're callit for a major and unpopular change. And if like many of my lefty friends by "abolish" you actually mean something that doesn't even come close to meaning "abolish", you're just causing problems with your abuse of language.