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It's just a nomenclature thing. Genetically your people are more similar to people from Europe then the "asians" the article refers to. The article uses the wor

It's just a nomenclature thing. Genetically your people are more similar to people from Europe then the "asians" the article refers to. The article uses the word "asian" but technically the article is just referring to people who have certain facial features that are similar to people from China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam... etc. You are asian yes, but in terms of facial features you are in a very separate category than the previous countries I mentioned. I'm not sure what is the proper term here. I've seen the terms "mongoloid" and "oriental" used to refer to my people but I've also seen things written about how these terms are dated and considered to be insulting. I have found no other word to refer to "asians" the way the article refers to "asians." It's strange that it's so hard to find a term here as there is a very clear cut category here. Whatever... it's just words. I would respond to your query and say that "mongoloids" have a very different experience with racism in the US than Indian people due to a multitude of factors one of them being that most Indians already know English. Qualitatively speaking, in the software world Indians are easily dominating that arena over "mongoloids" so it's a completely different experience. Whatever hardships Indian people are going through would imho warrant a completely separate article to cover that topic.

oftenwrong 6y ago
I prefer to say "East Asian": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_people Also, see this section, which provides an overview of what "Asian" means in different parts of the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_people#Meanings_by_region https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_people#Meanings_by_regio...
Lio 6y ago
I think you’ll find that’s strictly an American definition of “Asian”. In the UK “Asian” definitely includes people from the Indian sub-continent. See the BBC Asian Network for the example. Also your claims about genetic similarities and differences between races will need some supporting evidence as they sounds very much like personal opinion.
- thaumasiotes 6y ago
  > I think you’ll find that’s strictly an American definition of “Asian”. Well, yes, American media are going to use the American definition of "Asian". This is an article on Vox, not the BBC. > In the UK “Asian” definitely includes people from the Indian sub-continent. It is my understanding that the UK term isn't more inclusive, it just refers to subcontinentals instead of orientals, since for historical reasons that's who's present in England. > Also your claims about genetic similarities and differences between races will need some supporting evidence as they sounds very much like personal opinion. Don't be ridiculous. Yes, Indians are much more closely related to whites than Asians are. You don't need to support basic well-known facts. Recall that Indians were usually "white" under US law (there are some exceptions) until pressure from Indian activists in the Nixon administration got them reclassified.
  - Lio 6y ago
    > Don't be ridiculous. Yes, Indians are much more closely related to whites than Asians are. You don't need to support basic well-known facts. Recall that Indians were usually "white" under US law... I’m sorry but that is not a “basic well-known fact” that is just conjecture. Dubious, now repealed, racial laws are not a sound basis on which to hang an argument. If you want to make that claim stick you’d need to do a peer reviewed comparison of DNA and prove it. If you really want to play this game consider that China and India share a border. Where do the people 20 miles on either side of that border fit in your racial hierarchy?
    - thaumasiotes 6y ago
      > I’m sorry but that is not a “basic well-known fact” that is just conjecture. Wrong both times. > If you want to make that claim stick you’d need to do a peer reviewed comparison of DNA and prove it. Seriously, it's been done. Your personal massive ignorance is not a good argument for anything. > If you really want to play this game consider that China and India share a border. Yes, the Himalayas. It's one of the most formidable, uncrossable borders in the world.
dmingod666 6y ago
Asia is all the way from Middle East to Japan. If someone thinks arabs are not 'Asian' is just as dim witted as an Asian saying: Bah! america-shamerica Non-whites are not American.
- smabie 6y ago
  Arabs don't consider themselves asian. I know this because I am one.
  - dmingod666 6y ago
    It's akin to your nationality, It doesn't depend on what you 'consider yourself'.
    - SamReidHughes 6y ago
      "Asian" in American parlance simply doesn't mean people from the whole continent. That's the way it is.
  - tedk-42 6y ago
    Yeah I would say 'They look middle-eastern' as opposed to Asian. Not sure why it's relevant to bring up how far the continent of Asia extends when it's a reference to people and culture rather than geography.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > If someone thinks arabs are not 'Asian' Then that person might be the US Census Bureau, which defines (or, rather, has had defined for it) the following racial categories (and more, but these two are relevant to the discussion): “White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. ⋮ “Asian – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.” https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html This also basically reflects the general use of the terms in the US, except that a lot of people would would consider Semitic people to be two additional separate races and not part of White, and/or would separate out those from the subcontinent as distinct from “Asians”. It's important to understand that while some of the racial terms have names of continent, they are about a particular model of racial identities, not continental boundaries.

oftenwrong 6y ago

I prefer to say "East Asian": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_people Also, see this section, which provides an overview of what "Asian" means in different parts of the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_people#Meanings_by_region https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_people#Meanings_by_regio...

Lio 6y ago

I think you’ll find that’s strictly an American definition of “Asian”. In the UK “Asian” definitely includes people from the Indian sub-continent. See the BBC Asian Network for the example. Also your claims about genetic similarities and differences between races will need some supporting evidence as they sounds very much like personal opinion.

thaumasiotes 6y ago
> I think you’ll find that’s strictly an American definition of “Asian”. Well, yes, American media are going to use the American definition of "Asian". This is an article on Vox, not the BBC. > In the UK “Asian” definitely includes people from the Indian sub-continent. It is my understanding that the UK term isn't more inclusive, it just refers to subcontinentals instead of orientals, since for historical reasons that's who's present in England. > Also your claims about genetic similarities and differences between races will need some supporting evidence as they sounds very much like personal opinion. Don't be ridiculous. Yes, Indians are much more closely related to whites than Asians are. You don't need to support basic well-known facts. Recall that Indians were usually "white" under US law (there are some exceptions) until pressure from Indian activists in the Nixon administration got them reclassified.
- Lio 6y ago
  > Don't be ridiculous. Yes, Indians are much more closely related to whites than Asians are. You don't need to support basic well-known facts. Recall that Indians were usually "white" under US law... I’m sorry but that is not a “basic well-known fact” that is just conjecture. Dubious, now repealed, racial laws are not a sound basis on which to hang an argument. If you want to make that claim stick you’d need to do a peer reviewed comparison of DNA and prove it. If you really want to play this game consider that China and India share a border. Where do the people 20 miles on either side of that border fit in your racial hierarchy?
  - thaumasiotes 6y ago
    > I’m sorry but that is not a “basic well-known fact” that is just conjecture. Wrong both times. > If you want to make that claim stick you’d need to do a peer reviewed comparison of DNA and prove it. Seriously, it's been done. Your personal massive ignorance is not a good argument for anything. > If you really want to play this game consider that China and India share a border. Yes, the Himalayas. It's one of the most formidable, uncrossable borders in the world.

dmingod666 6y ago

Asia is all the way from Middle East to Japan. If someone thinks arabs are not 'Asian' is just as dim witted as an Asian saying: Bah! america-shamerica Non-whites are not American.

smabie 6y ago
Arabs don't consider themselves asian. I know this because I am one.
- dmingod666 6y ago
  It's akin to your nationality, It doesn't depend on what you 'consider yourself'.
  - SamReidHughes 6y ago
    "Asian" in American parlance simply doesn't mean people from the whole continent. That's the way it is.
- tedk-42 6y ago
  Yeah I would say 'They look middle-eastern' as opposed to Asian. Not sure why it's relevant to bring up how far the continent of Asia extends when it's a reference to people and culture rather than geography.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> If someone thinks arabs are not 'Asian' Then that person might be the US Census Bureau, which defines (or, rather, has had defined for it) the following racial categories (and more, but these two are relevant to the discussion): “White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. ⋮ “Asian – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.” https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html This also basically reflects the general use of the terms in the US, except that a lot of people would would consider Semitic people to be two additional separate races and not part of White, and/or would separate out those from the subcontinent as distinct from “Asians”. It's important to understand that while some of the racial terms have names of continent, they are about a particular model of racial identities, not continental boundaries.