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I pushed my wedding back to 2021 already, at this point we're probably just going to cut our losses and invest in a house or something. The fact that so many Am

I pushed my wedding back to 2021 already, at this point we're probably just going to cut our losses and invest in a house or something. The fact that so many Americans are willing to pick up a gun and lay down their life for this country, but wouldn't wear a simple mask for that very same country is shameful.

criddell 6y ago
I have a feeling those are two different groups of people.
- gameswithgo 6y ago
  Well we had the very visible example of the Navy Seal who allegedly killed Osama doing just this. Not only refusing to wear a mask but suggesting that those of us who do are "pussies". But outside of the military we have the people buying up guns to protect america from a mostly imagined antifa threat, who will not wear masks to protect against a very real viral one. People have never been good at thinking though, similar stuff happened in 1918. oh well.
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SEJeff 6y ago
I'm a veteran (US Army OIF II ~2003-2004) and wear a mask to protect you as much as to protect myself + my family. There are plenty of stupid people in the world, being a willing to serve in the military doesn't mean you're one of them.
- 7thaccount 6y ago
  The parent commenter may not have been referring to those in the military. There are many non-military citizens that love guns (that by itself isn't a problem), but do have a sick fascination/desire of being in a firefight and who frequently talk about being willing to lay down their life for America....all while being incapable of wearing a mask. They may be referring to that hypocrisy.
  - SEJeff 6y ago
    Indeed there are plenty of those individuals. I always ask them if they are so willing why they never signed up to serve in the military. Uncle Sam has always needed help. They weren't willing then, and they aren't willing now. All talk with no action.
adkadskhj 6y ago
> The fact that so many Americans are willing to pick up a gun and lay down their life for this country I don't think they are. The motivations behind those who go to war are not clear cut. Some are noble honest giving people; others less so. For some that's simply the "best" choice for career/etc. Those that go to war purely from the kindness of their heart is smaller than implied - imo - and wearing a mask most aligns with a simple kind ask, perhaps a much smaller percentage of the gun supporters.
- matwood 6y ago
  I will say that for my wife it was mixture. She's patriotic, and it was also the best choice to get her life started after high school. I imagine it's probably some combination for most people. Side note, she's furious every time she catches a Trump rally on TV and sees blue-lives matter desecrated American flag.
okiedokiepokie1 6y ago
How do you explain other countries who are very pro-mask and always have been (ie. Japan) with their cases not going away?
- fomine3 6y ago
  Mask is necessary but not sufficient
scrooched_moose 6y ago
We opted to slash&burn our guest list (~150>20) and do a very small ceremony in September for this reason. We didn't want the stress of dragging out, and as cases were spiking in August we didn't feel confident 2021 was even going to be an option. Some friends of ours lost massive deposits on theirs in 2020, then rescheduled for 2021, and are starting to panic again. It turned out to be a great excuse to uninvite a large swath of extended family we didn't really want to include anyway, and the small ceremony with only our closest friends & family was wonderful.
anonunivgrad 6y ago
If you don’t want to get sick or get someone you must see (eg elderly parents) sick, then wear a mask and/or hide inside. Let the rest of us do what we want. People my age have a 99.9% survival rate. My parents’ age, 99.x%. There is no evidence that the long term effects are actually any more severe or prevalent than with, e.g. particularly nasty flu years. We choose to get on with life. I’m definitely not letting the government tell me whether I can have a family party or not. If you’re scared of the virus, stay home. This pandemic will end like almost every other pandemic in the history of the human race: enough people get sick and acquire permanent/temporary immunity and the virus stops spreading. The question is whether in the process, we freak out to the point of skyrocketing suicides, economic stagnation, and becoming joyless. Edit: not bothered by the downvotes but I am amused by the petty people who went and downvoted my other posts too. lol!
- stdclass 6y ago
  I dont know why you are getting downvoted, the mortality rates are on the WHO / CDC website etc. FOR EVERYONE TO READ!
  - Karunamon 6y ago
    Because it's not all about the mortality rates. Just because the bug doesn't literally end your life doesn't mean you won't be left with long term (expensive) complications or handicaps, that could very well kill you years after you get over the virus. Per the CDC [1]: >Among patients with COVID-19, 76.8% had respiratory complications, including pneumonia (70.1%), respiratory failure (46.5%), and ARDS (9.3%). Nonrespiratory complications were frequent, including renal (39.6%), cardiovascular (13.1%), hematologic (6.2%), and neurologic complications (4.1%), as well as sepsis (24.9%) and bacteremia (4.7%); 24.1% of COVID-19 patients had complications involving three or more organ systems. Among COVID-19 patients, nine complications were more prevalent among racial and ethnic minority patients, including respiratory, neurologic, and renal complications, even after adjustment for age and underlying medical conditions. This isn't the fucking flu, and at this point, it is intentionally dishonest to downplay the effects of the virus. [1]:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e3.htm#:~:text=Among%20patients%20with%20COVID%2D19%2C%2076.8%25%20had%20respiratory%20complications,%2C%20and%20ARDS%20(9.3%25) https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e3.htm#:~:text=....
sigmaprimus 6y ago
I wear masks and have been wearing one since the "experts" were claiming they were not needed. It just seemed so odd to hear them say that when at the same time the doctors and nurses were screaming that they didn't have enough. There have been so many mixed and misleading messages I understand why some people doubt the efficacy of masks. Remember "Don't touch your face"? What happened to that? I think if the communication people had just come clean and admitted they mislead the public in order to secure the PPE the healthcare system needed and prevent hoarding (Like what happened with TP), there would be far less anti-mask rhetoric. Unfortunately these politicians doubled down and tried to differentiate between medical and non medical masks. Totally a CMA attitude that understandably has been met with a degree of mistrust.
- jliptzin 6y ago
  What about "don't touch your face?" Who is advocating to start touching your face? If you don't have to touch your face, don't do it. I've heard that advice well before covid and all throughout the pandemic.
  - sigmaprimus 6y ago
    I've heard it well before too, but when is the last time you heard it? But thats besides my point. We were mislead about masks in the beginning, even Fauchi was not advocating mask wearing in the beginning, yet there were stories about nurses being forced to ration and re-use theirs. I'm not saying it wasn't what needed to be done but it had consequences, one of which is a certain level of skepticism when the message is changed from "Masks are not" to "Masks are"
    - everdrive 6y ago
      >don't touch your face This is just general common sense advice for literally an illness. It's not COVID-specific. If you touch your eyes, nose, and mouse, you're more likely to get infected by whatever's around.
      - 6y ago
apozem 6y ago
My wife and I just went down to the courthouse with my parents and got married this September. God knows when this will all be over, we’ll have some kind of ceremony then.
gfitz 6y ago
Why blame the people when the leadership has been so shoddy? Here is the same Dr. Fauci on masks as the pandemic was first spreading throughout US: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=PRa6t_e7dgI https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=PRa6t_e7dgI
- jeffbee 6y ago
  Seems pretty reasonable to me. At that time there really was a shortage of masks. Perhaps he should have advised people to improvise a mask?
ars 6y ago
> but wouldn't wear a simple mask for that very same country is shameful. There aren't as many of those as you think. The media likes to find all cases of people doing that and reporting on them. Instead the media should do some polling and get statistics on mask wearing. But they won't, because in general most people are wearing masks, and that goes against the narrative.
InitialLastName 6y ago
I delayed my wedding from July to a much smaller wedding in February 21, to a courthouse ceremony sometime this winter followed by a big first or second anniversary party (whenever the coast is clear). This year has truly been a wild adventure. :\
- mcgoo 6y ago
  If you want to avoid crowds, the two busiest days for the courthouse we got married in are Thanksgiving Friday and the last Friday in December. There were six judges on the day we went - typically it’s handled by one judge. (That was 2018, who knows how it’s going to be this year. Might even get shut down in some places.)

criddell 6y ago

I have a feeling those are two different groups of people.

gameswithgo 6y ago
Well we had the very visible example of the Navy Seal who allegedly killed Osama doing just this. Not only refusing to wear a mask but suggesting that those of us who do are "pussies". But outside of the military we have the people buying up guns to protect america from a mostly imagined antifa threat, who will not wear masks to protect against a very real viral one. People have never been good at thinking though, similar stuff happened in 1918. oh well.
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SEJeff 6y ago

I'm a veteran (US Army OIF II ~2003-2004) and wear a mask to protect you as much as to protect myself + my family. There are plenty of stupid people in the world, being a willing to serve in the military doesn't mean you're one of them.

7thaccount 6y ago
The parent commenter may not have been referring to those in the military. There are many non-military citizens that love guns (that by itself isn't a problem), but do have a sick fascination/desire of being in a firefight and who frequently talk about being willing to lay down their life for America....all while being incapable of wearing a mask. They may be referring to that hypocrisy.
- SEJeff 6y ago
  Indeed there are plenty of those individuals. I always ask them if they are so willing why they never signed up to serve in the military. Uncle Sam has always needed help. They weren't willing then, and they aren't willing now. All talk with no action.

adkadskhj 6y ago

> The fact that so many Americans are willing to pick up a gun and lay down their life for this country I don't think they are. The motivations behind those who go to war are not clear cut. Some are noble honest giving people; others less so. For some that's simply the "best" choice for career/etc. Those that go to war purely from the kindness of their heart is smaller than implied - imo - and wearing a mask most aligns with a simple kind ask, perhaps a much smaller percentage of the gun supporters.

matwood 6y ago
I will say that for my wife it was mixture. She's patriotic, and it was also the best choice to get her life started after high school. I imagine it's probably some combination for most people. Side note, she's furious every time she catches a Trump rally on TV and sees blue-lives matter desecrated American flag.

okiedokiepokie1 6y ago

How do you explain other countries who are very pro-mask and always have been (ie. Japan) with their cases not going away?

fomine3 6y ago
Mask is necessary but not sufficient

scrooched_moose 6y ago

We opted to slash&burn our guest list (~150>20) and do a very small ceremony in September for this reason. We didn't want the stress of dragging out, and as cases were spiking in August we didn't feel confident 2021 was even going to be an option. Some friends of ours lost massive deposits on theirs in 2020, then rescheduled for 2021, and are starting to panic again. It turned out to be a great excuse to uninvite a large swath of extended family we didn't really want to include anyway, and the small ceremony with only our closest friends & family was wonderful.

anonunivgrad 6y ago

If you don’t want to get sick or get someone you must see (eg elderly parents) sick, then wear a mask and/or hide inside. Let the rest of us do what we want. People my age have a 99.9% survival rate. My parents’ age, 99.x%. There is no evidence that the long term effects are actually any more severe or prevalent than with, e.g. particularly nasty flu years. We choose to get on with life. I’m definitely not letting the government tell me whether I can have a family party or not. If you’re scared of the virus, stay home. This pandemic will end like almost every other pandemic in the history of the human race: enough people get sick and acquire permanent/temporary immunity and the virus stops spreading. The question is whether in the process, we freak out to the point of skyrocketing suicides, economic stagnation, and becoming joyless. Edit: not bothered by the downvotes but I am amused by the petty people who went and downvoted my other posts too. lol!

stdclass 6y ago
I dont know why you are getting downvoted, the mortality rates are on the WHO / CDC website etc. FOR EVERYONE TO READ!
- Karunamon 6y ago
  Because it's not all about the mortality rates. Just because the bug doesn't literally end your life doesn't mean you won't be left with long term (expensive) complications or handicaps, that could very well kill you years after you get over the virus. Per the CDC [1]: >Among patients with COVID-19, 76.8% had respiratory complications, including pneumonia (70.1%), respiratory failure (46.5%), and ARDS (9.3%). Nonrespiratory complications were frequent, including renal (39.6%), cardiovascular (13.1%), hematologic (6.2%), and neurologic complications (4.1%), as well as sepsis (24.9%) and bacteremia (4.7%); 24.1% of COVID-19 patients had complications involving three or more organ systems. Among COVID-19 patients, nine complications were more prevalent among racial and ethnic minority patients, including respiratory, neurologic, and renal complications, even after adjustment for age and underlying medical conditions. This isn't the fucking flu, and at this point, it is intentionally dishonest to downplay the effects of the virus. [1]:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e3.htm#:~:text=Among%20patients%20with%20COVID%2D19%2C%2076.8%25%20had%20respiratory%20complications,%2C%20and%20ARDS%20(9.3%25) https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e3.htm#:~:text=....

sigmaprimus 6y ago

I wear masks and have been wearing one since the "experts" were claiming they were not needed. It just seemed so odd to hear them say that when at the same time the doctors and nurses were screaming that they didn't have enough. There have been so many mixed and misleading messages I understand why some people doubt the efficacy of masks. Remember "Don't touch your face"? What happened to that? I think if the communication people had just come clean and admitted they mislead the public in order to secure the PPE the healthcare system needed and prevent hoarding (Like what happened with TP), there would be far less anti-mask rhetoric. Unfortunately these politicians doubled down and tried to differentiate between medical and non medical masks. Totally a CMA attitude that understandably has been met with a degree of mistrust.

jliptzin 6y ago
What about "don't touch your face?" Who is advocating to start touching your face? If you don't have to touch your face, don't do it. I've heard that advice well before covid and all throughout the pandemic.
- sigmaprimus 6y ago
  I've heard it well before too, but when is the last time you heard it? But thats besides my point. We were mislead about masks in the beginning, even Fauchi was not advocating mask wearing in the beginning, yet there were stories about nurses being forced to ration and re-use theirs. I'm not saying it wasn't what needed to be done but it had consequences, one of which is a certain level of skepticism when the message is changed from "Masks are not" to "Masks are"
  - everdrive 6y ago
    >don't touch your face This is just general common sense advice for literally an illness. It's not COVID-specific. If you touch your eyes, nose, and mouse, you're more likely to get infected by whatever's around.
    - 6y ago

apozem 6y ago

My wife and I just went down to the courthouse with my parents and got married this September. God knows when this will all be over, we’ll have some kind of ceremony then.

gfitz 6y ago

Why blame the people when the leadership has been so shoddy? Here is the same Dr. Fauci on masks as the pandemic was first spreading throughout US: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=PRa6t_e7dgI https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=PRa6t_e7dgI

jeffbee 6y ago
Seems pretty reasonable to me. At that time there really was a shortage of masks. Perhaps he should have advised people to improvise a mask?

ars 6y ago

> but wouldn't wear a simple mask for that very same country is shameful. There aren't as many of those as you think. The media likes to find all cases of people doing that and reporting on them. Instead the media should do some polling and get statistics on mask wearing. But they won't, because in general most people are wearing masks, and that goes against the narrative.

InitialLastName 6y ago

I delayed my wedding from July to a much smaller wedding in February 21, to a courthouse ceremony sometime this winter followed by a big first or second anniversary party (whenever the coast is clear). This year has truly been a wild adventure. :\

mcgoo 6y ago
If you want to avoid crowds, the two busiest days for the courthouse we got married in are Thanksgiving Friday and the last Friday in December. There were six judges on the day we went - typically it’s handled by one judge. (That was 2018, who knows how it’s going to be this year. Might even get shut down in some places.)