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" the NYPost has a narrative, with physical evidence, corrobrated by actual non-anonymous people alleging very bad things about a presidential candidate " Whic

" the NYPost has a narrative, with physical evidence, corrobrated by actual non-anonymous people alleging very bad things about a presidential candidate " Which is so obviously fake it isn't even funny. I'm getting very tired of the GOP's shameless tendency of creating controversies out of nothing. This is just another Benghazi or Hillary's Emails or Migrant Caravan.

calvinmorrison 6y ago
is it fake or is it russian disinformation? I can't keep up with you types.
- ZeteticElench 6y ago
  Aren't those synonyms?
  - calvinmorrison 6y ago
    user: ZeteticElench created: 2 days ago karma: 3 Is there a world without paid shills? Who do you work for? ShareBlue?
- quacked 6y ago
  Who deleted your response to ZeteticElench? You, or the mods? Usually when they delete something, they include a comment that says "this comment was deleted because it violates our community standards" or whatever.
  - awerawerawrjhui 6y ago
    I don't think it's possible to delete your own comment on HN. It's possible for the mods to "shadow delete" your comments: it still appears to you when you're logged in, but no-one else can see it. (To see if any your comments have been shadow-deleted, check out the difference between news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=yourusername when you're logged in and logged out.)
    - baud147258 6y ago
      I think you can delete a comment shortly after it was made and if there's no answers to it yet. Edit: for example, right now I have a delete button for this message
  - calvinmorrison 6y ago
    I absolutely did not delete anything. Maybe I got 'zucced'
- ZeteticElench 6y ago
  This is how stupid the GOP thinks you are: Tucker Carlson Reports He Lost Only Copy of Documents That Nail Biden https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/tucker-carlson-lost-only-copy-of-documents-nailing-biden.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/tucker-carlson-lost-...
briandear 6y ago
Obviously fake? The Biden camp hasn’t disputed the authenticity of the materials. How is it “obviously” fake? Especially since most of the media refuses to investigate it — even if to establish that it isn’t fake? The media had no problem running with the very obviously fake Steele Dossier that claimed Trump got a golden shower on a hotel bed Obama once slept in. There was zero corroboration or legitimacy for that, but that dossier was used as a basis to obtain FISA warrant and ultimately led to an impeachment. It’s “obviously fake,” because it’s politically uncomfortable, not because it’s actually “obviously fake.”
- ZeteticElench 6y ago
  John Paul "Mac" Isaac is not even remotely trustworthy and nothing about the story is plausible. According to a Daily Beast interview, Isaac “switched back and forth” between saying that he contacted the FBI and saying the FBI contacted him. He also claimed that the FBI asked him for help in accessing the drive, though he didn’t indicate that the drive was encrypted or protected in any way. There’s are several huge missing pieces in this story. For example, what did Isaac say to the FBI? “Hello, someone brought in a computer, and I think it belongs to Beau Biden.” If so, why would the FBI say anything other than, “Then give it back?” Why would Beau Biden dropping off a wet laptop cause the FBI to have any interest at all? This, then, is the “official” story from the Post and Giuliani: A mysterious stranger drops off a laptop at a shop belonging to a legally blind Trump supporter who has said disparaging things about Biden. Nine months later, the FBI asks for that computer. Then 10 months after that, Giuliani hands over to the New York Post what he says is a copy of that computer’s hard drive. In between those dates, we have nothing. Well, nothing except for more Facebook statements from Isaac, who does devote some time to saying that Trump’s impeachment is a sham, but says nothing at all about Hunter Biden’s crack-smoking video that he found on a computer left at his store. And we have a lot of statements from Giuliani during this period, many of them essentially identical to what will eventually appear in the Post story.
  - jwond 6y ago
    Ok, so the story about how they obtained the laptop is sketchy. Fine. What about the actual contents of the laptop? The emails, text messages, photos, and videos? Nobody from the Biden camp has come out and denied the authenticity of the emails or the text messages that have been published. Why not? In fact, you have one of Hunter Biden's former business associates who has come out and confirmed the authenticity of some of the materials.
mainstreem 6y ago
Where's the evidence that the data on the hard drives and laptop were fabricated? There's a lot more physical evidence behind the Hunter Biden Laptop Story (and its censorship) than there was behind, oh I don't know, the impeachment of the President last January. I must assume you have personal possession of exculpatory physical evidence. Please share your physical evidence that discredits the physical evidence you don't like unearthed by the New York Post Please downvote me if you have no evidence it was faked or know there's no evidence or want to see the NY Post story discredited because Trump should be replaced at any cost. Also note: other news publications, like the Washington Post, claiming that the hard drive data is "not verified" without any evidence beyond their own reputation, which itself is long since forfeit, is not evidence.
- projektfu 6y ago
  After the Killian documents controversy, the onus is on the publisher to authenticate this type information before they publish it, not on the public to believe it until it is shown to be inauthentic. In that event, the Republican candidate was hurt by a forgery that then resulted in the resignation of Dan Rather, a very prominent news anchor. In the impeachment case, that was not a case of the press digging up a document and making an accusation. It was the release of an accusation made to an inspector general. In and of itself, that is news. The fact that the white house was trying to prevent the release of the inspector general complaint to the Congress was also news. At that point, the veracity of the claim needs to be determined, and opinions clearly differed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy
  - mainstreem 6y ago
    > After the Killian documents controversy, the onus is on the publisher to authenticate this type information before they publish it The problem is that this is not the standard that has been applied to the Left, e.g. the story in the Atlantic about the President disparaging troops, which was based on an anonymous source and even John Bolton, who wrote a whole book talking trash about Trump, said it didn't actually happen. And what about that book by #Anonymous which not only was published (I guess the onus wasn't on THAT publisher) but was bandied about in the rest of the mainstream media as a brilliant expose written by.... an unverifiable person. Who was supposed to reveal themselves before the election, but that went down the memory hole. There have been many, many stories based on weaker evidence that the media has trotted out to judge Trump by, and then when the evidence is more closely examined, the accusations go down the memory hole. The whole story about Carter Page should've been front page news. The FBI under direction of a Democrat interfered with a Republican's campaign. This was the same FBI leadership that dismissed an investigation against the Democrat with stronger evidence during the same election. Then, James Comey, head of the FBI at the time of both of those events, after being rightfully fired, went on to disparage the President every chance he got. But the American people, well, I guess we don't have a right to know what's on Hunter's laptop. Newsflash: he was engaged in a quid-pro-quo with Ukraine with the help of his father. Trump was impeached for investigating that corruption. And that's the truth.
secondcoming 6y ago
Fake? Didn't Biden's lawyer ask for the laptop back? If it was fake why did ask for a laptop that wasn't theirs?
- ZeteticElench 6y ago
  "Didn't Biden's lawyer ask for the laptop back? " Proof?
- ZeteticElench 6y ago
  This is how stupid the GOP thinks you are: Tucker Carlson Reports He Lost Only Copy of Documents That Nail Biden https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/tucker-carlson-lost-only-copy-of-documents-nailing-biden.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/tucker-carlson-lost-...

calvinmorrison 6y ago

is it fake or is it russian disinformation? I can't keep up with you types.

ZeteticElench 6y ago
Aren't those synonyms?
- calvinmorrison 6y ago
  user: ZeteticElench created: 2 days ago karma: 3 Is there a world without paid shills? Who do you work for? ShareBlue?
quacked 6y ago
Who deleted your response to ZeteticElench? You, or the mods? Usually when they delete something, they include a comment that says "this comment was deleted because it violates our community standards" or whatever.
- awerawerawrjhui 6y ago
  I don't think it's possible to delete your own comment on HN. It's possible for the mods to "shadow delete" your comments: it still appears to you when you're logged in, but no-one else can see it. (To see if any your comments have been shadow-deleted, check out the difference between news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=yourusername when you're logged in and logged out.)
  - baud147258 6y ago
    I think you can delete a comment shortly after it was made and if there's no answers to it yet. Edit: for example, right now I have a delete button for this message
- calvinmorrison 6y ago
  I absolutely did not delete anything. Maybe I got 'zucced'
ZeteticElench 6y ago
This is how stupid the GOP thinks you are: Tucker Carlson Reports He Lost Only Copy of Documents That Nail Biden https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/tucker-carlson-lost-only-copy-of-documents-nailing-biden.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/tucker-carlson-lost-...

briandear 6y ago

Obviously fake? The Biden camp hasn’t disputed the authenticity of the materials. How is it “obviously” fake? Especially since most of the media refuses to investigate it — even if to establish that it isn’t fake? The media had no problem running with the very obviously fake Steele Dossier that claimed Trump got a golden shower on a hotel bed Obama once slept in. There was zero corroboration or legitimacy for that, but that dossier was used as a basis to obtain FISA warrant and ultimately led to an impeachment. It’s “obviously fake,” because it’s politically uncomfortable, not because it’s actually “obviously fake.”

ZeteticElench 6y ago
John Paul "Mac" Isaac is not even remotely trustworthy and nothing about the story is plausible. According to a Daily Beast interview, Isaac “switched back and forth” between saying that he contacted the FBI and saying the FBI contacted him. He also claimed that the FBI asked him for help in accessing the drive, though he didn’t indicate that the drive was encrypted or protected in any way. There’s are several huge missing pieces in this story. For example, what did Isaac say to the FBI? “Hello, someone brought in a computer, and I think it belongs to Beau Biden.” If so, why would the FBI say anything other than, “Then give it back?” Why would Beau Biden dropping off a wet laptop cause the FBI to have any interest at all? This, then, is the “official” story from the Post and Giuliani: A mysterious stranger drops off a laptop at a shop belonging to a legally blind Trump supporter who has said disparaging things about Biden. Nine months later, the FBI asks for that computer. Then 10 months after that, Giuliani hands over to the New York Post what he says is a copy of that computer’s hard drive. In between those dates, we have nothing. Well, nothing except for more Facebook statements from Isaac, who does devote some time to saying that Trump’s impeachment is a sham, but says nothing at all about Hunter Biden’s crack-smoking video that he found on a computer left at his store. And we have a lot of statements from Giuliani during this period, many of them essentially identical to what will eventually appear in the Post story.
- jwond 6y ago
  Ok, so the story about how they obtained the laptop is sketchy. Fine. What about the actual contents of the laptop? The emails, text messages, photos, and videos? Nobody from the Biden camp has come out and denied the authenticity of the emails or the text messages that have been published. Why not? In fact, you have one of Hunter Biden's former business associates who has come out and confirmed the authenticity of some of the materials.

mainstreem 6y ago

Where's the evidence that the data on the hard drives and laptop were fabricated? There's a lot more physical evidence behind the Hunter Biden Laptop Story (and its censorship) than there was behind, oh I don't know, the impeachment of the President last January. I must assume you have personal possession of exculpatory physical evidence. Please share your physical evidence that discredits the physical evidence you don't like unearthed by the New York Post Please downvote me if you have no evidence it was faked or know there's no evidence or want to see the NY Post story discredited because Trump should be replaced at any cost. Also note: other news publications, like the Washington Post, claiming that the hard drive data is "not verified" without any evidence beyond their own reputation, which itself is long since forfeit, is not evidence.

projektfu 6y ago
After the Killian documents controversy, the onus is on the publisher to authenticate this type information before they publish it, not on the public to believe it until it is shown to be inauthentic. In that event, the Republican candidate was hurt by a forgery that then resulted in the resignation of Dan Rather, a very prominent news anchor. In the impeachment case, that was not a case of the press digging up a document and making an accusation. It was the release of an accusation made to an inspector general. In and of itself, that is news. The fact that the white house was trying to prevent the release of the inspector general complaint to the Congress was also news. At that point, the veracity of the claim needs to be determined, and opinions clearly differed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy
- mainstreem 6y ago
  > After the Killian documents controversy, the onus is on the publisher to authenticate this type information before they publish it The problem is that this is not the standard that has been applied to the Left, e.g. the story in the Atlantic about the President disparaging troops, which was based on an anonymous source and even John Bolton, who wrote a whole book talking trash about Trump, said it didn't actually happen. And what about that book by #Anonymous which not only was published (I guess the onus wasn't on THAT publisher) but was bandied about in the rest of the mainstream media as a brilliant expose written by.... an unverifiable person. Who was supposed to reveal themselves before the election, but that went down the memory hole. There have been many, many stories based on weaker evidence that the media has trotted out to judge Trump by, and then when the evidence is more closely examined, the accusations go down the memory hole. The whole story about Carter Page should've been front page news. The FBI under direction of a Democrat interfered with a Republican's campaign. This was the same FBI leadership that dismissed an investigation against the Democrat with stronger evidence during the same election. Then, James Comey, head of the FBI at the time of both of those events, after being rightfully fired, went on to disparage the President every chance he got. But the American people, well, I guess we don't have a right to know what's on Hunter's laptop. Newsflash: he was engaged in a quid-pro-quo with Ukraine with the help of his father. Trump was impeached for investigating that corruption. And that's the truth.

secondcoming 6y ago

Fake? Didn't Biden's lawyer ask for the laptop back? If it was fake why did ask for a laptop that wasn't theirs?

ZeteticElench 6y ago
"Didn't Biden's lawyer ask for the laptop back? " Proof?
ZeteticElench 6y ago
This is how stupid the GOP thinks you are: Tucker Carlson Reports He Lost Only Copy of Documents That Nail Biden https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/tucker-carlson-lost-only-copy-of-documents-nailing-biden.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/tucker-carlson-lost-...