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Anyone know how nanomsg (https://nanomsg.org https://nanomsg.org) or nng (https://github.com/nanomsg/nng https://github.com/nanomsg/nng) compares? Interesting

by pcglue 6y ago

Anyone know how nanomsg (https://nanomsg.org https://nanomsg.org) or nng (https://github.com/nanomsg/nng https://github.com/nanomsg/nng) compares? Interesting that nanomsg tries to better zeromq (https://nanomsg.org/documentation-zeromq.html https://nanomsg.org/documentation-zeromq.html) and then nng tries to better nanomsg (https://nng.nanomsg.org/RATIONALE.html https://nng.nanomsg.org/RATIONALE.html) edit: just noticed nng and nanomsg share the same domain, so probably the same people behind them.

smitty1110 6y ago
If I remember correctly, they’re written by the original zeromq author. He has a blog post about how he realized that C++ was not ideal for the architecture he was using, and decided to make a clean break. Edit: Found it. https://250bpm.com/blog:4/ https://250bpm.com/blog:4/
- ReactiveJelly 6y ago
  His arguments are valid [1] but I still don't understand why that means dropping C++ entirely. Sure, C++ isn't a perfect superset of C, but you could mostly write C-style code in C++, right? I've seen this sentiment before from C enthusiasts. Maybe it makes sense on the Linux kernel, where you don't want to keep telling contributors not to use the most common C++ features. But I don't think it makes sense on very small projects, and maybe I just draw the dividing line for where it stops working at a different size of project than he did. [1] Exceptions suck and constructors suck and C++ would be better if it was just Rust with no borrow-checker.
- DominikD 6y ago
  He changed his mind over time. ZeroMQ is still maintained and nanomsg is pretty much dormant.
  - lllr_finger 6y ago
    Look up "nanomsg is not dead" and nanomsg's replacement nng for even further confusion. My takeaway is that even though these newer libs seem to be simpler and avoid some issues, they've just never caught on.
    - DominikD 6y ago
      Problem is - nng is also hardly being updated. I was really hopeful for a C library that would by on par with ZeroMQ but every time a new project comes along that needs some sort of message bus and I have the time to evaluate the technology, ZeroMQ simply wins.
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jhawk28 6y ago
nng is a reimplementation of nanomsg by the guy who made mangos (the go native impl of nanomsg). Nanomsg was written by the original author of zeromq.

by pcglue 6y ago

smitty1110 6y ago

If I remember correctly, they’re written by the original zeromq author. He has a blog post about how he realized that C++ was not ideal for the architecture he was using, and decided to make a clean break. Edit: Found it. https://250bpm.com/blog:4/ https://250bpm.com/blog:4/

ReactiveJelly 6y ago
His arguments are valid [1] but I still don't understand why that means dropping C++ entirely. Sure, C++ isn't a perfect superset of C, but you could mostly write C-style code in C++, right? I've seen this sentiment before from C enthusiasts. Maybe it makes sense on the Linux kernel, where you don't want to keep telling contributors not to use the most common C++ features. But I don't think it makes sense on very small projects, and maybe I just draw the dividing line for where it stops working at a different size of project than he did. [1] Exceptions suck and constructors suck and C++ would be better if it was just Rust with no borrow-checker.
DominikD 6y ago
He changed his mind over time. ZeroMQ is still maintained and nanomsg is pretty much dormant.
- lllr_finger 6y ago
  Look up "nanomsg is not dead" and nanomsg's replacement nng for even further confusion. My takeaway is that even though these newer libs seem to be simpler and avoid some issues, they've just never caught on.
  - DominikD 6y ago
    Problem is - nng is also hardly being updated. I was really hopeful for a C library that would by on par with ZeroMQ but every time a new project comes along that needs some sort of message bus and I have the time to evaluate the technology, ZeroMQ simply wins.

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jhawk28 6y ago

nng is a reimplementation of nanomsg by the guy who made mangos (the go native impl of nanomsg). Nanomsg was written by the original author of zeromq.