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As another poster said, companies aren’t going to risk lose talent in troves if they enact a work from office policy. When you got major companies like Twitter

As another poster said, companies aren’t going to risk lose talent in troves if they enact a work from office policy. When you got major companies like Twitter, google, Facebook, and others already saying WFH is a permanent option that’s put pressure on others to figure out how to make it work. Talent is needed at many, many companies and if the talent is a.) needed and b.) good enough the company will make “exceptions” to the rule. Enough companies make enough exceptions and it’s a mainstay policy. Overall, the other part is that companies that now offer remote work as a permanent option may not have to pay SF salaries so that’s a bonus to the company. It’ll go both ways, the company can say I’m not requiring you to live in high COL area and we have an office in X city, we pay 10% above the market average of ~35-40 cities so they’re still competitive on pay (assumption being that most companies move to this model, FAANG may overpay still but that’s always been the case) so now what do you do?

ryandrake 6y ago
As someone who has worked both in the Bay Area and outside of it, I moved here because of the job market, not because of the salary. I would take a salary cut any day to move away, but I want to stay with my current company AND keep access to the SF Bay Area job market. Literally the only thing keeping me from listing my house right now and moving to a different area is that not enough Bay Area companies have committed to permanent WFH yet. Once that happens, I'm gone.
- kilbuz 6y ago
  Where are you thinking of moving? I live here for more than the job, so just wondering what other cities are on the radar.
  - dataminded 6y ago
    Come to Detroit. It's still REALLY cheap and the tech job market was #2 in the US for growth.
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    Depends on the exact WFH environment. If companies go with permanent full remote option, then I'd pick an area with zero or low state income taxes, warm weather, and cheap housing. Las Vegas area, South Florida. Texas is interesting but I don't know much about the cities there, having never lived or visited. If companies look like they're aligning on more of a hybrid model where you can WFH but they expect you to show your face in the office every so often, then I'd have to stick to $CA$ and maybe head out somewhere on US-50 between Folsom and Placerville, or maybe way up I-5 somewhere towards Shasta.
- Pokepokalypse 6y ago
  wise thinking. there is a huge difference, not only in the kinds of work you can put on your resume, but in the quality of co-workers, and what you can learn from them. You can approximate that experience in some other areas (Provo, Boston, Austin, San Luis Obispo, etc) but a LOT of American cities are still technological backwaters, and there's nothing available but garbage jobs that will drain your soul and turn you into a code zombie.

ryandrake 6y ago

As someone who has worked both in the Bay Area and outside of it, I moved here because of the job market, not because of the salary. I would take a salary cut any day to move away, but I want to stay with my current company AND keep access to the SF Bay Area job market. Literally the only thing keeping me from listing my house right now and moving to a different area is that not enough Bay Area companies have committed to permanent WFH yet. Once that happens, I'm gone.

kilbuz 6y ago
Where are you thinking of moving? I live here for more than the job, so just wondering what other cities are on the radar.
- dataminded 6y ago
  Come to Detroit. It's still REALLY cheap and the tech job market was #2 in the US for growth.
- ryandrake 6y ago
  Depends on the exact WFH environment. If companies go with permanent full remote option, then I'd pick an area with zero or low state income taxes, warm weather, and cheap housing. Las Vegas area, South Florida. Texas is interesting but I don't know much about the cities there, having never lived or visited. If companies look like they're aligning on more of a hybrid model where you can WFH but they expect you to show your face in the office every so often, then I'd have to stick to $CA$ and maybe head out somewhere on US-50 between Folsom and Placerville, or maybe way up I-5 somewhere towards Shasta.
Pokepokalypse 6y ago
wise thinking. there is a huge difference, not only in the kinds of work you can put on your resume, but in the quality of co-workers, and what you can learn from them. You can approximate that experience in some other areas (Provo, Boston, Austin, San Luis Obispo, etc) but a LOT of American cities are still technological backwaters, and there's nothing available but garbage jobs that will drain your soul and turn you into a code zombie.