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Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

by yadco 6y ago

shripadk 6y ago
Yeah and this is the Truth. But hey it doesn't matter because all these elites are living in their own bubble. That bubble will burst come November.
- panpanna 6y ago
  Not trying to get political, but I feel the middle east talks wasnt even between the right countries. Get Syria, Iran, Palestine and Israel to sign a peace agreement, now that would be an accomplishment. Peace between Israel and Bahrain? Were they even fighting? Edit: should have known this was a touchy subject...
  - shripadk 6y ago
    > Get Syria, Iran, Palestine and Israel to sign a peace agreement, now that would be an accomplishment. Did Obama do that? Then why was he given the Nobel Peace Prize? See that is why I said it is a joke! You guys have different standards for Obama and Trump. With Obama, he literally did not do anything and was given the Nobel Peace Prize. Even he was shocked when he heard it. But Trump did much more good than Obama and yet he hasn't been awarded. It is a joke! Obama literally launched 12 new proxy wars during his entire tenure. Trump hasn't launched even one. Most US Presidents have been involved in some War or the other. Trump pulled troops out of Syria and Afghanistan. That is an accomplishment in itself.
  - ecommerceguy 6y ago
    Like I said to get these Countries to RECOGNIZE each other is a major accomplishment. Downvoting does not accomplish much besides suppress the truth via greyed out text. HN mods should flag this discussion. Sad to see this type of divisive behavior but I'm not surprised. I'm personally excited to see UAE and Israel sitting at a table instead of flinging bombs but I've always been pro peace. Perhaps Obama supporters truly are not. Gross
    - panpanna 6y ago
      Sure, but Turkey and Egypt recognized Isreal in 1950 and 1979. Saudi Arabia/Iraq/Syria still do not recognize Israel. In comparison, Bahrain and UAE are tiny countries that already had pretty normal relationship with Israel, just not very official. So an achievement by POTUS, yes. But let's not oversell it. (Not gonna comment more on this, politics make me nervous)
      - shripadk 6y ago
        > So an achievement by POTUS, yes. But let's not oversell it. Redirecting you to my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24737337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24737337
ecommerceguy 6y ago
I realize this will cause cognitive dissonance in rabid anti-Trumpers but the fact that this admin has brokered MENA deals to recognize Israel as a Nation is a very positive thing for World Peace. Unlike the constant bombing of MENA by Bush and then by Obama. Disgusting policy really. The Obama win was laughable, why did he get it again? Instead of downvotes can we get some information?
- mola 6y ago
  Obama getting the prize wrongfully doesn't make trump more or less suitable. As an Israeli, I tell you, this peace deal is a joke. We've had relations with the UAE for decades, they were never hostile to Israel. It was nothing more than a photo op for Netanyahu. The UAE and Bahrein didn't even send same level representatives. The sent foreign ministers for meeting our prime minister. Seems silly, but it tells how serious this accord is. So a peace deal that changed nothing. And will only let some arms dealers pocket extra bucks. The Palestinians will still be under Israeli military rule. Israel citizens are still targeted by missiles and rockets. Violence is still prospering here. Peace is no closer.
  - shripadk 6y ago
    > As an Israeli, I tell you, this peace deal is a joke Not a joke but a start. You have to start somewhere and this is the first step towards it. > Seems silly, but it tells how serious this accord is. Not silly at all. Peace Accords bind Nations. It has nothing to do with who was present at the signing ceremony. As long as it is accepted by the Nations involved it is as legitimate as they come. > We've had relations with the UAE for decades, they were never hostile to Israel Hostility is not just in terms of War. Hostility can even be in terms of who the country votes for in the UN on key issues that concerns Israel. If you look at it that way, India has never been hostile towards Israel. Never waged a War. But we always supported the Palestinian cause. That has started to change because of the development of Israel-India ties with India moving closer to Israel than ever before since 2014. It was because of Modi's visit to Israel and Netanyahu's visit to India. These things might seem silly but this is how diplomacy is carried out. How else would you think a solution can be achieved without waging a big War? Through diplomatic means. For Israel, truly making friends is a big criteria. It helps in putting diplomatic pressure on Israel's adversaries instead of resorting to military options! Right now Israel is using military options because it lacks unanimous support across the World. Nearly half of the countries in the World oppose Israel's moves. Through these Peace Accords, the countries that were on the fence when it came to Israel will now be more enthusiastically involved in achieving final Peace in the region. Because they are now stakeholders too. Once these countries (and many others) join in, pressure will build on Israel's adversaries to come to the table and negotiate a Peace deal. This is how it is done. One small step at a time.
m0zg 6y ago
With more peace deals to come, by the way. Also he did not start any new wars, and started withdrawing US forces from the idiotic endless wars started by previous administrations. Donald Trump has done more for world peace than any US president since Reagan. It'd go further back than that, but Reagan defeated communism, which is pretty huge in itself.
- addicted 6y ago
  Somehow more forces in all the places he said he would withdraw forces from than the beginning of his term = withdrawal of forces? The only genuine force withdrawal he did was in Syria, which will damage the US dramatically going forward because they completely abandoned their allies because Erdogan was able to sweet talk Donald Teump. And the “peace deals” are a joke because they were signed between Israel and countries that were never hostile towards each other in the first place. UAE and Bahrain? It was simply Trump paying UAE/Bahrain your tax dollars for them to formally announce something that has always been the case, and Bibi doing the same so that Trump could continue to allow him to annex Palestinian land in peace to satisfy the most orthodox people in his country who are keeping him in power and saving him from prosecution. And yeah, supplying arms to the Saudis so they can continue slaughtering the Yemenis and unilaterally breaking a peace deal so Iranians can die in massive numbers are not starting a war, but is causing civilian death tolls that are extremely high. And sure, creating massive instability and allowing China to run free in most of Asia and Africa is also not starting a war, but is completely weakening the US and emboldening China in ways we couldn’t have imagined 5 years ago (for all his anti China talk, Trump has been remarkably weak against them, which isn’t surprising considering that until January the highlight of his tenure was gonna be a joke of a trade deal with China, and that he spent years without touching trade with China but slapping tariffs on all the US’s allies). And of course, dismantling treaties with Russia, such as the open skies treaty for example, which was a completely one sided treaty in favor of the US and its allies only served to increase the risk of war. And how about jumping into peace talks between S Korea and N Korea (S Korea’s new President was elected on the explicit platform of trying to restart peace discussions with N Korea) and derailing the entire process, by giving Kim exactly what he wanted...a photo op with the US president which he could promote within his own country, without getting anything in return (I guess the love letters from Kim to Donald Trump was something). And we haven’t even gotten to the part where he and his have explicitly and implicitly supported and emboldened white supremacists in the US and Europe. Donald Trump is best looked at as someone who never boiled the water, but definitely turned up the temperature so it’s hitting close to 190. He has taken decades of goodwill and trust, and burned it so he could claim minor victories which hurt the US massively but can be something for him to crow about. It requires an extremely narrow way of looking at the world (at basically the PR level) to think Donald Teump is even close to being net positive for world peace.
contravariant 6y ago
No matter what he did it's a bad idea to give the Nobel Peace Prize to someone so divisive.
- kabouseng 6y ago
  For example someone like Obama...?
  - mola 6y ago
    When did obama say anything devisive? When did he actively intended to enflame tense situation? When did he say anything outright disrespectful to his opposition ? Obama may not have been perfect but he was always respectful, always kept his cool. Comparing Trump's hateful rhetoric of his opposition to How obama conducted himself is a bad joke.
    - LeCow 6y ago
      One thing a lot of people don't realise is that Trump is the first president in a long time that hasn't invaded a country. Sure he's authorised bombings, which president hasn't? But I can't remember the last time a president didn't put troops somewhere. Ironically he's getting a lot of hate for pulling out of Syria/Germany.
    - aokiji 6y ago
      Actions speak louder than words. Obama did nothing to receive the prize but being a puppet of George Soros. Trump achieved something historical in the Middle East.
    - ThomPete 6y ago
      You din't find it divisive becauee you agree with a lot of what he says. A lot of people found it divisive and the result was Trump.
      - metalliqaz 6y ago
        Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Stop arguing in bad faith. Obama and Trump both have twitter accounts. Do you really want to start comparing the public record?
altacc 6y ago
Out of curiosity, please list these recent peace deals. If the UAE/Baharin normalization with Israel is on that list, them remove it. Getting two countries, who are not in conflict, to acknowledge each other and begin a formal relationship is definitely not a peace deal. A peace deal needs to involve the warring parties, which this did not.
- crusso 6y ago
  That's a ridiculous amount of hair splitting. The normalization of diplomatic relations between Israel and major powers in the Middle East is a huge win for anyone who cares about peace. It's astounding to me that people hate Trump so much that they refuse to recognize the historicity of this moment. We're seeing a fundamental change in the dynamics of a conflict that has been ongoing for generations, and there's no denying that a huge impetus for that change has been a rethinking of how to solve the problem by the Trump administration.
  - altacc 6y ago
    There have been many different attempts to solve the Israel/Palestine conflict and its many associated issues. Every US president has a go and having yet another attempt doesn’t win anyone awards until real results & a resolution between the parties involved in the conflict is achieved. There was no big win here, Bahrain & UAE already had relationships with Israel, they were not in conflict. At best it can be described as possibly a small contributing factor to a future solution, if many other, much bigger and more relevant arrangements can be made. In reality not much has progressed. If anything, the few handshakes and promises made were a smokescreen for the unhappy status quo to go on as it was before.
    - bzbarsky 6y ago
      I suspect the crux of the disagreement is whether the conflict is "Israel/Palestine", as you label it, or "Israel/Arab", as I suspect crusso labels it. The UAE/Bahrain peace deals are a big step for the latter, and not directly relevant to the former. So if you focus on the former, you are right that "not much has progressed", but that's a matter of what sort of progress you care about. For a long time the two conflicts were sort of interlinked, in that the Palestinians were used as both a rallying point and a pawn in the more general Arab/Israel conflict. Part of the significance of the UAE/Bahrain deals is an ongoing de-linking of the two conflicts. As a concrete example of a substantive changes that will actually affect the lives of a number of people that have happened recently in the larger Arab/Israel context, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain are now generally allowing flights from Israel through their airspace. This and the other recent liberalization steps are worth considering in the context of the situation described in https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/the-peace-deal-is-a-big-deal https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/the-peace-deal-is-a-big-de..., where quite recently references to Israel were routinely censored in textbooks and encyclopedias in the UAE. It's a big change from that to where we are now, and importantly it's a lot harder to sustain hostility against people you interact with on a daily basis than against a mysterious and vilified "other" that you never experience in person. So to the extent that easier travel leads to the travel actually happening, a practical effect of the sort of normalization of relations we are seeing could be a reduction in hostility "on the ground". Though that's likely to take a generation or three; these things are slow to change. Now how much credit _Trump_ should get for any of this, I dunno; I wasn't in those conversations. But I also don't think people should claim that the changes here are not important just because they (for excellent reasons!) dislike Trump.
Synaesthesia 6y ago
Frankly if Obama won it, so should Trump.
- collyw 6y ago
  Trump is far more deserving. He has been far more anti-war than Obama.
- altacc 6y ago
  One-upping Obama seems to be a primary motivation for Trump, but it’s not how awards work. Just because Obama got the peace prize when he shouldn’t have doesn’t mean Trump should also get it when he shouldn’t have. Two wrongs not making a right and all that.

Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

by yadco 6y ago

Donald Trump signed multiple peace deals this year

Yeah and this is the Truth. But hey it doesn't matter because all these elites are living in their own bubble. That bubble will burst come November.

panpanna 6y ago
Not trying to get political, but I feel the middle east talks wasnt even between the right countries. Get Syria, Iran, Palestine and Israel to sign a peace agreement, now that would be an accomplishment. Peace between Israel and Bahrain? Were they even fighting? Edit: should have known this was a touchy subject...
- shripadk 6y ago
  > Get Syria, Iran, Palestine and Israel to sign a peace agreement, now that would be an accomplishment. Did Obama do that? Then why was he given the Nobel Peace Prize? See that is why I said it is a joke! You guys have different standards for Obama and Trump. With Obama, he literally did not do anything and was given the Nobel Peace Prize. Even he was shocked when he heard it. But Trump did much more good than Obama and yet he hasn't been awarded. It is a joke! Obama literally launched 12 new proxy wars during his entire tenure. Trump hasn't launched even one. Most US Presidents have been involved in some War or the other. Trump pulled troops out of Syria and Afghanistan. That is an accomplishment in itself.
- ecommerceguy 6y ago
  Like I said to get these Countries to RECOGNIZE each other is a major accomplishment. Downvoting does not accomplish much besides suppress the truth via greyed out text. HN mods should flag this discussion. Sad to see this type of divisive behavior but I'm not surprised. I'm personally excited to see UAE and Israel sitting at a table instead of flinging bombs but I've always been pro peace. Perhaps Obama supporters truly are not. Gross
  - panpanna 6y ago
    Sure, but Turkey and Egypt recognized Isreal in 1950 and 1979. Saudi Arabia/Iraq/Syria still do not recognize Israel. In comparison, Bahrain and UAE are tiny countries that already had pretty normal relationship with Israel, just not very official. So an achievement by POTUS, yes. But let's not oversell it. (Not gonna comment more on this, politics make me nervous)
    - shripadk 6y ago
      > So an achievement by POTUS, yes. But let's not oversell it. Redirecting you to my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24737337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24737337

ecommerceguy 6y ago

I realize this will cause cognitive dissonance in rabid anti-Trumpers but the fact that this admin has brokered MENA deals to recognize Israel as a Nation is a very positive thing for World Peace. Unlike the constant bombing of MENA by Bush and then by Obama. Disgusting policy really. The Obama win was laughable, why did he get it again? Instead of downvotes can we get some information?

mola 6y ago
Obama getting the prize wrongfully doesn't make trump more or less suitable. As an Israeli, I tell you, this peace deal is a joke. We've had relations with the UAE for decades, they were never hostile to Israel. It was nothing more than a photo op for Netanyahu. The UAE and Bahrein didn't even send same level representatives. The sent foreign ministers for meeting our prime minister. Seems silly, but it tells how serious this accord is. So a peace deal that changed nothing. And will only let some arms dealers pocket extra bucks. The Palestinians will still be under Israeli military rule. Israel citizens are still targeted by missiles and rockets. Violence is still prospering here. Peace is no closer.
- shripadk 6y ago
  > As an Israeli, I tell you, this peace deal is a joke Not a joke but a start. You have to start somewhere and this is the first step towards it. > Seems silly, but it tells how serious this accord is. Not silly at all. Peace Accords bind Nations. It has nothing to do with who was present at the signing ceremony. As long as it is accepted by the Nations involved it is as legitimate as they come. > We've had relations with the UAE for decades, they were never hostile to Israel Hostility is not just in terms of War. Hostility can even be in terms of who the country votes for in the UN on key issues that concerns Israel. If you look at it that way, India has never been hostile towards Israel. Never waged a War. But we always supported the Palestinian cause. That has started to change because of the development of Israel-India ties with India moving closer to Israel than ever before since 2014. It was because of Modi's visit to Israel and Netanyahu's visit to India. These things might seem silly but this is how diplomacy is carried out. How else would you think a solution can be achieved without waging a big War? Through diplomatic means. For Israel, truly making friends is a big criteria. It helps in putting diplomatic pressure on Israel's adversaries instead of resorting to military options! Right now Israel is using military options because it lacks unanimous support across the World. Nearly half of the countries in the World oppose Israel's moves. Through these Peace Accords, the countries that were on the fence when it came to Israel will now be more enthusiastically involved in achieving final Peace in the region. Because they are now stakeholders too. Once these countries (and many others) join in, pressure will build on Israel's adversaries to come to the table and negotiate a Peace deal. This is how it is done. One small step at a time.

m0zg 6y ago

With more peace deals to come, by the way. Also he did not start any new wars, and started withdrawing US forces from the idiotic endless wars started by previous administrations. Donald Trump has done more for world peace than any US president since Reagan. It'd go further back than that, but Reagan defeated communism, which is pretty huge in itself.

addicted 6y ago
Somehow more forces in all the places he said he would withdraw forces from than the beginning of his term = withdrawal of forces? The only genuine force withdrawal he did was in Syria, which will damage the US dramatically going forward because they completely abandoned their allies because Erdogan was able to sweet talk Donald Teump. And the “peace deals” are a joke because they were signed between Israel and countries that were never hostile towards each other in the first place. UAE and Bahrain? It was simply Trump paying UAE/Bahrain your tax dollars for them to formally announce something that has always been the case, and Bibi doing the same so that Trump could continue to allow him to annex Palestinian land in peace to satisfy the most orthodox people in his country who are keeping him in power and saving him from prosecution. And yeah, supplying arms to the Saudis so they can continue slaughtering the Yemenis and unilaterally breaking a peace deal so Iranians can die in massive numbers are not starting a war, but is causing civilian death tolls that are extremely high. And sure, creating massive instability and allowing China to run free in most of Asia and Africa is also not starting a war, but is completely weakening the US and emboldening China in ways we couldn’t have imagined 5 years ago (for all his anti China talk, Trump has been remarkably weak against them, which isn’t surprising considering that until January the highlight of his tenure was gonna be a joke of a trade deal with China, and that he spent years without touching trade with China but slapping tariffs on all the US’s allies). And of course, dismantling treaties with Russia, such as the open skies treaty for example, which was a completely one sided treaty in favor of the US and its allies only served to increase the risk of war. And how about jumping into peace talks between S Korea and N Korea (S Korea’s new President was elected on the explicit platform of trying to restart peace discussions with N Korea) and derailing the entire process, by giving Kim exactly what he wanted...a photo op with the US president which he could promote within his own country, without getting anything in return (I guess the love letters from Kim to Donald Trump was something). And we haven’t even gotten to the part where he and his have explicitly and implicitly supported and emboldened white supremacists in the US and Europe. Donald Trump is best looked at as someone who never boiled the water, but definitely turned up the temperature so it’s hitting close to 190. He has taken decades of goodwill and trust, and burned it so he could claim minor victories which hurt the US massively but can be something for him to crow about. It requires an extremely narrow way of looking at the world (at basically the PR level) to think Donald Teump is even close to being net positive for world peace.

contravariant 6y ago

No matter what he did it's a bad idea to give the Nobel Peace Prize to someone so divisive.

kabouseng 6y ago
For example someone like Obama...?
- mola 6y ago
  When did obama say anything devisive? When did he actively intended to enflame tense situation? When did he say anything outright disrespectful to his opposition ? Obama may not have been perfect but he was always respectful, always kept his cool. Comparing Trump's hateful rhetoric of his opposition to How obama conducted himself is a bad joke.
  - LeCow 6y ago
    One thing a lot of people don't realise is that Trump is the first president in a long time that hasn't invaded a country. Sure he's authorised bombings, which president hasn't? But I can't remember the last time a president didn't put troops somewhere. Ironically he's getting a lot of hate for pulling out of Syria/Germany.
  - aokiji 6y ago
    Actions speak louder than words. Obama did nothing to receive the prize but being a puppet of George Soros. Trump achieved something historical in the Middle East.
  - ThomPete 6y ago
    You din't find it divisive becauee you agree with a lot of what he says. A lot of people found it divisive and the result was Trump.
    - metalliqaz 6y ago
      Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Stop arguing in bad faith. Obama and Trump both have twitter accounts. Do you really want to start comparing the public record?

altacc 6y ago

Out of curiosity, please list these recent peace deals. If the UAE/Baharin normalization with Israel is on that list, them remove it. Getting two countries, who are not in conflict, to acknowledge each other and begin a formal relationship is definitely not a peace deal. A peace deal needs to involve the warring parties, which this did not.

crusso 6y ago
That's a ridiculous amount of hair splitting. The normalization of diplomatic relations between Israel and major powers in the Middle East is a huge win for anyone who cares about peace. It's astounding to me that people hate Trump so much that they refuse to recognize the historicity of this moment. We're seeing a fundamental change in the dynamics of a conflict that has been ongoing for generations, and there's no denying that a huge impetus for that change has been a rethinking of how to solve the problem by the Trump administration.
- altacc 6y ago
  There have been many different attempts to solve the Israel/Palestine conflict and its many associated issues. Every US president has a go and having yet another attempt doesn’t win anyone awards until real results & a resolution between the parties involved in the conflict is achieved. There was no big win here, Bahrain & UAE already had relationships with Israel, they were not in conflict. At best it can be described as possibly a small contributing factor to a future solution, if many other, much bigger and more relevant arrangements can be made. In reality not much has progressed. If anything, the few handshakes and promises made were a smokescreen for the unhappy status quo to go on as it was before.
  - bzbarsky 6y ago
    I suspect the crux of the disagreement is whether the conflict is "Israel/Palestine", as you label it, or "Israel/Arab", as I suspect crusso labels it. The UAE/Bahrain peace deals are a big step for the latter, and not directly relevant to the former. So if you focus on the former, you are right that "not much has progressed", but that's a matter of what sort of progress you care about. For a long time the two conflicts were sort of interlinked, in that the Palestinians were used as both a rallying point and a pawn in the more general Arab/Israel conflict. Part of the significance of the UAE/Bahrain deals is an ongoing de-linking of the two conflicts. As a concrete example of a substantive changes that will actually affect the lives of a number of people that have happened recently in the larger Arab/Israel context, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain are now generally allowing flights from Israel through their airspace. This and the other recent liberalization steps are worth considering in the context of the situation described in https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/the-peace-deal-is-a-big-deal https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/the-peace-deal-is-a-big-de..., where quite recently references to Israel were routinely censored in textbooks and encyclopedias in the UAE. It's a big change from that to where we are now, and importantly it's a lot harder to sustain hostility against people you interact with on a daily basis than against a mysterious and vilified "other" that you never experience in person. So to the extent that easier travel leads to the travel actually happening, a practical effect of the sort of normalization of relations we are seeing could be a reduction in hostility "on the ground". Though that's likely to take a generation or three; these things are slow to change. Now how much credit _Trump_ should get for any of this, I dunno; I wasn't in those conversations. But I also don't think people should claim that the changes here are not important just because they (for excellent reasons!) dislike Trump.

Synaesthesia 6y ago

Frankly if Obama won it, so should Trump.

collyw 6y ago
Trump is far more deserving. He has been far more anti-war than Obama.
altacc 6y ago
One-upping Obama seems to be a primary motivation for Trump, but it’s not how awards work. Just because Obama got the peace prize when he shouldn’t have doesn’t mean Trump should also get it when he shouldn’t have. Two wrongs not making a right and all that.