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>that doesn't mean we give Engineers and Researchers free reign to package, publish, and distribute AI software that falls short of its promise And who is goin

>that doesn't mean we give Engineers and Researchers free reign to package, publish, and distribute AI software that falls short of its promise And who is going to monitor and enforce this? You?

drdeca 6y ago
Perhaps by "give free reign to [x]" they just mean "not consider morally liable for [doing x]"?
- apostacy 6y ago
  Trying to build in safeguards before deploying anything is an unreasonable standard, and would severely cripple the good work that many of us are trying to do. I have worked on crime analysis software to help people. It is important to me to minimize the number of people getting hurt. And when the data shows that most people getting in fights on the subway are black, what then? What would you have us do? We should dig deeper and find real solutions, not delude ourselves that these problems exist. And the world isn't as rosy as we might imagine it is. There's are some really uncomfortable truths out there. But I think we should confront and understand these things.
  - drdeca 6y ago
    Not relevant to my point, which is responding to "And who is going to monitor and enforce this? You?". My comment is not arguing for or against the claim that the software should or shouldn't have whatever safeguards. It was extremely limited in its scope. So, I'm not sure why you chose my comment to respond to with your "darkly hinting" comment mr. "apostacy".
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
At a minimum, the engineers and researchers. Deploying an AI sentencing model or AI lie detector should be treated with the same seriousness as deploying a new train or bridge; engineers shouldn't be willing to sign off on such a thing without strong, well-founded reasons to believe it won't hurt anyone.
- DEADBEEFC0FFEE 6y ago
  Let's stop calling them engineers then.
zorpner 6y ago
Ideally we would have a professional organization, like literally every other discipline that calls itself Engineering, both to educate, license, and enforce ethical and safety norms, and to support engineers asked to violate those boundaries by providing a public avenue for grievance against companies trying to behave unethically or unsafely.

>that doesn't mean we give Engineers and Researchers free reign to package, publish, and distribute AI software that falls short of its promise And who is going to monitor and enforce this? You?

drdeca 6y ago

Perhaps by "give free reign to [x]" they just mean "not consider morally liable for [doing x]"?

apostacy 6y ago
Trying to build in safeguards before deploying anything is an unreasonable standard, and would severely cripple the good work that many of us are trying to do. I have worked on crime analysis software to help people. It is important to me to minimize the number of people getting hurt. And when the data shows that most people getting in fights on the subway are black, what then? What would you have us do? We should dig deeper and find real solutions, not delude ourselves that these problems exist. And the world isn't as rosy as we might imagine it is. There's are some really uncomfortable truths out there. But I think we should confront and understand these things.
- drdeca 6y ago
  Not relevant to my point, which is responding to "And who is going to monitor and enforce this? You?". My comment is not arguing for or against the claim that the software should or shouldn't have whatever safeguards. It was extremely limited in its scope. So, I'm not sure why you chose my comment to respond to with your "darkly hinting" comment mr. "apostacy".

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

At a minimum, the engineers and researchers. Deploying an AI sentencing model or AI lie detector should be treated with the same seriousness as deploying a new train or bridge; engineers shouldn't be willing to sign off on such a thing without strong, well-founded reasons to believe it won't hurt anyone.

DEADBEEFC0FFEE 6y ago
Let's stop calling them engineers then.

zorpner 6y ago

Ideally we would have a professional organization, like literally every other discipline that calls itself Engineering, both to educate, license, and enforce ethical and safety norms, and to support engineers asked to violate those boundaries by providing a public avenue for grievance against companies trying to behave unethically or unsafely.