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This is all motivated reporting. India has such a strong and independent judicial system which does its job. If any charges are put incorrectly then courts will

This is all motivated reporting. India has such a strong and independent judicial system which does its job. If any charges are put incorrectly then courts will grant relief. India is democratic country.

deskamess 6y ago
>India has such a strong and independent judicial system which does its job. Eh... no it does not. The Supreme Court has capitulated; it rubber stamps anything coming out of Modi Inc. Do you not follow whats going on? Why don't you address all of the issues that the parent poster bought up?
- nilsocket 6y ago
  An iota of evidence?
  - harichinnan 6y ago
    https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/former-cji-ranjan-gogoi-nominated-to-rajya-sabha/article31085274.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/former-cji-ranjan-gog...
  - shankysingh 6y ago
    The Prashant Bhushan case : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/world/asia/india-lawyer-trial-tweets.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/world/asia/india-lawyer-t...
    - setum 6y ago
      How is that evidence for ‘capitalization’ or ‘rubber stamping’? What you may be complaining about is why is it illegal to contempt Indian Judiciary —- which is a different topic.
    - sbmthakur 6y ago
      The Constitution gives the judges enormous powers in the form of Contempt of Court act[1]. Unlike other draconian laws, this is not even talked about in open due to fear of courts. You have already mentioned Prashant Bhushan's case. There is this case of Justice Karnan, a sitting High Court judge, was punished for raising voice against some senior judges[2]. The outrage at the time was quite limited as he is not a known government antagonist. Ironically, Prashant Bhushan was also cheering the sentencing of Justice Karnan[3]. 1. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/the-hindu-explains-what-is-contempt-of-court/article32249810.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/the-hindu-explains-wh... 2. https://theprint.in/opinion/india-turned-a-blind-eye-to-justice-karnan-an-outsider-prashant-bhushan-is-different/484656/ https://theprint.in/opinion/india-turned-a-blind-eye-to-just... 3. https://twitter.com/pbhushan1/status/861823918289571841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/pbhushan1/status/861823918289571841?ref_...
  - wtmt 6y ago
    Tell me the Supreme Court is doing its job when it hears the long pending cases on Aadhaar, electoral bonds and others of critical national interest. So far, it's just been busy playing around with telecom company dues, Tata Sons' dispute with Cyrus Mistry, etc.
  - srean 6y ago
    Afzal Guru was hanged for much less. Letting article 370 reform go unchallenged would be one example. It was an opportunistic edge case that allowed the federal body to decide on a state matter because the state government was temporarily missing and a caretaker government was in charge. Court chose to look the other way. One can arguesuch opportunism is legal as far as the letter of the law is concerned. It is common on legal proceedings for the spirit of the law to be upheld rather than the letter, except for business/commercial contracts.
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - nilsocket 6y ago
      Yes sir, for people like you it doesn't matter, when article 370 is clearly articulated as temporary. Afzal Guru is a terrorist. There ends the matter, but for people like you Afzal Guru is innocent even after proven guilty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHzMoltemdg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHzMoltemdg For people like it doesn't matter, when > 4Lakh people were driven out of Kashmir by radical Islamists, with slogans: "Convert, Die and leave your women behind". It will also not matter, when a wife is forced to eat soaked rice of her husband's blood. It doesn't matter when women were raped, people were killed. It also doesn't matter when so many people were being radicalized in the name of religion. http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/kashmiri-pandits-offered-three-choices-by-radical-islamists/ http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/kashmiri-pandits-off...
sbmthakur 6y ago
According to AlJazeera, Afzal Guru is just a "Kashmiri separatist". I guess they missed the part where he was convicted for attacking the Indian parliament[1]. Interesting that Amnesty International questioned the way he was tried and punished[2]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Indian_Parliament_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Indian_Parliament_attack 2. https://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/india-new-execution-points-worrying-and-regressive-trend-2013-02-09 https://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/india-ne...
- xrisk 6y ago
  Also interesting that they did not find a shred of evidence in that case. In fact the order mentioned that he was convicted to placate the “conscience of the nation”.
  - ninjahatori1 6y ago
    when was he hanged?
  - sbmthakur 6y ago
    Supreme court had concluded that he arranged logistics and explosives for the attackers. I am not sure how they arrived at that conclusion without a "shred of evidence". https://scroll.in/article/805427/the-quick-guide-to-sar-gilani-afzal-guru-and-the-2001-parliament-attack-case https://scroll.in/article/805427/the-quick-guide-to-sar-gila...
    - xrisk 6y ago
      I meant that all the evidence was circumstantial, which was admitted by even the court.
      - djsumdog 6y ago
        Isn't this the entire reason we need groups like Amnesty International present, or do you think they're bias/compromised as well?
vestingz 6y ago
If ever, courts will act a couple of years after the case. The judicial system is close to non-functional due to underfunding and mismanagement and lately due to political influence by the current fascist regime. The global public is slowly getting aware of all the human rights abuses happening in the country - good. India will only be a true democracy when Hinduism, which manifests in the caste system and brahmanic supremacy, will be annihilated.
- Karupan 6y ago
  > India will only be a true democracy when Hinduism, which manifests in the caste system and brahmanic supremacy, will be annihilated. I have no words.
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    I feel like there's an entire side to this story that isn't being captured.
  - mushbino 6y ago
    Does the caste system still exist in India?
    - 7171u 6y ago
      Yes. https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/caste-not-dead-survey-reveals-isolation-bahujan-journalists https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/caste-not-dead-su... https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/dalit-family-lives-groceries-thrown-relatives-home-fenced-caste-hindus-132601 https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/dalit-family-lives-gro... https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/hyderabad/hyderabad-honour-killing-hemanth-kumar-6610755/ https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/hyderabad/hyderabad... https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/denied-access-barbershops-due-caste-dalit-community-kerala-village-pushes-back-132224 https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/denied-access-barbersh...?
    - davchana 6y ago
      Yes, very much. Locally in northern india higher castes like Jatt Brahmin are vocal & expressive about their higher caste. Same in central & other parts of India.
xrisk 6y ago
Ah yes the very same independent judicial system whose last Chief Justice is now a member of parliament. yes sir, very independent indeed.
kikokikokiko 6y ago
After seeing what this organization did when Bolsonaro got elected here in Brazil, unfortunately I can not say I believe anything that comes out of it. It's a politically biased organization, therefore you always must take any stance they take with a lot of grains of salt.
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
You sound like a government-funded internet troll paid to spread a certain line of thought or to just oppose any criticism to the government. Whose payroll are you on?

deskamess 6y ago

>India has such a strong and independent judicial system which does its job. Eh... no it does not. The Supreme Court has capitulated; it rubber stamps anything coming out of Modi Inc. Do you not follow whats going on? Why don't you address all of the issues that the parent poster bought up?

nilsocket 6y ago
An iota of evidence?
- harichinnan 6y ago
  https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/former-cji-ranjan-gogoi-nominated-to-rajya-sabha/article31085274.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/former-cji-ranjan-gog...
- shankysingh 6y ago
  The Prashant Bhushan case : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/world/asia/india-lawyer-trial-tweets.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/world/asia/india-lawyer-t...
  - setum 6y ago
    How is that evidence for ‘capitalization’ or ‘rubber stamping’? What you may be complaining about is why is it illegal to contempt Indian Judiciary —- which is a different topic.
  - sbmthakur 6y ago
    The Constitution gives the judges enormous powers in the form of Contempt of Court act[1]. Unlike other draconian laws, this is not even talked about in open due to fear of courts. You have already mentioned Prashant Bhushan's case. There is this case of Justice Karnan, a sitting High Court judge, was punished for raising voice against some senior judges[2]. The outrage at the time was quite limited as he is not a known government antagonist. Ironically, Prashant Bhushan was also cheering the sentencing of Justice Karnan[3]. 1. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/the-hindu-explains-what-is-contempt-of-court/article32249810.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/the-hindu-explains-wh... 2. https://theprint.in/opinion/india-turned-a-blind-eye-to-justice-karnan-an-outsider-prashant-bhushan-is-different/484656/ https://theprint.in/opinion/india-turned-a-blind-eye-to-just... 3. https://twitter.com/pbhushan1/status/861823918289571841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/pbhushan1/status/861823918289571841?ref_...
- wtmt 6y ago
  Tell me the Supreme Court is doing its job when it hears the long pending cases on Aadhaar, electoral bonds and others of critical national interest. So far, it's just been busy playing around with telecom company dues, Tata Sons' dispute with Cyrus Mistry, etc.
- srean 6y ago
  Afzal Guru was hanged for much less. Letting article 370 reform go unchallenged would be one example. It was an opportunistic edge case that allowed the federal body to decide on a state matter because the state government was temporarily missing and a caretaker government was in charge. Court chose to look the other way. One can arguesuch opportunism is legal as far as the letter of the law is concerned. It is common on legal proceedings for the spirit of the law to be upheld rather than the letter, except for business/commercial contracts.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - nilsocket 6y ago
    Yes sir, for people like you it doesn't matter, when article 370 is clearly articulated as temporary. Afzal Guru is a terrorist. There ends the matter, but for people like you Afzal Guru is innocent even after proven guilty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHzMoltemdg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHzMoltemdg For people like it doesn't matter, when > 4Lakh people were driven out of Kashmir by radical Islamists, with slogans: "Convert, Die and leave your women behind". It will also not matter, when a wife is forced to eat soaked rice of her husband's blood. It doesn't matter when women were raped, people were killed. It also doesn't matter when so many people were being radicalized in the name of religion. http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/kashmiri-pandits-offered-three-choices-by-radical-islamists/ http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/kashmiri-pandits-off...

sbmthakur 6y ago

According to AlJazeera, Afzal Guru is just a "Kashmiri separatist". I guess they missed the part where he was convicted for attacking the Indian parliament[1]. Interesting that Amnesty International questioned the way he was tried and punished[2]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Indian_Parliament_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Indian_Parliament_attack 2. https://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/india-new-execution-points-worrying-and-regressive-trend-2013-02-09 https://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/india-ne...

xrisk 6y ago
Also interesting that they did not find a shred of evidence in that case. In fact the order mentioned that he was convicted to placate the “conscience of the nation”.
- ninjahatori1 6y ago
  when was he hanged?
- sbmthakur 6y ago
  Supreme court had concluded that he arranged logistics and explosives for the attackers. I am not sure how they arrived at that conclusion without a "shred of evidence". https://scroll.in/article/805427/the-quick-guide-to-sar-gilani-afzal-guru-and-the-2001-parliament-attack-case https://scroll.in/article/805427/the-quick-guide-to-sar-gila...
  - xrisk 6y ago
    I meant that all the evidence was circumstantial, which was admitted by even the court.
    - djsumdog 6y ago
      Isn't this the entire reason we need groups like Amnesty International present, or do you think they're bias/compromised as well?

vestingz 6y ago

If ever, courts will act a couple of years after the case. The judicial system is close to non-functional due to underfunding and mismanagement and lately due to political influence by the current fascist regime. The global public is slowly getting aware of all the human rights abuses happening in the country - good. India will only be a true democracy when Hinduism, which manifests in the caste system and brahmanic supremacy, will be annihilated.

Karupan 6y ago
> India will only be a true democracy when Hinduism, which manifests in the caste system and brahmanic supremacy, will be annihilated. I have no words.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  I feel like there's an entire side to this story that isn't being captured.
- mushbino 6y ago
  Does the caste system still exist in India?
  - 7171u 6y ago
    Yes. https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/caste-not-dead-survey-reveals-isolation-bahujan-journalists https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/caste-not-dead-su... https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/dalit-family-lives-groceries-thrown-relatives-home-fenced-caste-hindus-132601 https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/dalit-family-lives-gro... https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/hyderabad/hyderabad-honour-killing-hemanth-kumar-6610755/ https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/hyderabad/hyderabad... https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/denied-access-barbershops-due-caste-dalit-community-kerala-village-pushes-back-132224 https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/denied-access-barbersh...?
  - davchana 6y ago
    Yes, very much. Locally in northern india higher castes like Jatt Brahmin are vocal & expressive about their higher caste. Same in central & other parts of India.

xrisk 6y ago

Ah yes the very same independent judicial system whose last Chief Justice is now a member of parliament. yes sir, very independent indeed.

kikokikokiko 6y ago

After seeing what this organization did when Bolsonaro got elected here in Brazil, unfortunately I can not say I believe anything that comes out of it. It's a politically biased organization, therefore you always must take any stance they take with a lot of grains of salt.

Cthulhu_ 6y ago

You sound like a government-funded internet troll paid to spread a certain line of thought or to just oppose any criticism to the government. Whose payroll are you on?