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We're back to Dreamweaver?

detritus 6y ago
Is that such a bad thing, in an absolute sense? Sure it made a mess of code (well, early versions, at least) but it enabled people who don't/can't/won't code to put content on the web fairly easily. I know I used it as a tool in the early DIV/CSS days to shunt stuff around quickly, before diving in to clean up the code afterwards.
- untog 6y ago
  One big issue these days is mobile. A lot more difficult to do responsive design in the kind of UI Dreamweaver once provided.
  - detritus 6y ago
    Sure, but I'd then suggest it almost makes things easier - today's internet consumers are generally expectant of a certain range of formats, rather than the early CSS Days' DIV Free For All. A neat contemporary version of Dreamweaver, with a focus on CSS/Grid, Responsive layouts, etc, could be great!
batsteek 6y ago
There is an article on this very subject that I invite you to read: https://pinegrow.com/blog/pinegrow-for-dreamweaver-users/ https://pinegrow.com/blog/pinegrow-for-dreamweaver-users/
blacksmith_tb 6y ago
Well, given that Squarespace/Wix/Weebly etc. are selling Dreamweaver-as-a-service (plus hosting), I would say there's a lot of demand still. Pinegrow seems like it would cater to someone slightly more technical (since you need to figure deploying/hosting), but not willing to entirely learn the frontend stuff just to make a simple site. I have plenty of sympathy with that, it's better than going with WordPress for a four-page brochure site, at least.
- marc_io 6y ago
  It's definitely a useful tool for more technical oriented people too. Someone would definitely need to have his/her front-end chops in place to work with Pinegrow without frameworks.
marc_io 6y ago
This is different from Dreamweaver in a lot of ways. It's not like Webflow either, which writes code for you, quite in a verbose way and without real support for lots of niceties, like CSS Variables. Pinegrow lets you choose a framework or allow you to write code yourself, as you wish. If you choose the latter, it just gives you visual tools to create code that follows the standards.
znpy 6y ago
well, we had dreamweaver when browsers were pretty much toys, why can't we have dreamweaver now that browsers are gigantic application runtimes?

Is that such a bad thing, in an absolute sense? Sure it made a mess of code (well, early versions, at least) but it enabled people who don't/can't/won't code to put content on the web fairly easily. I know I used it as a tool in the early DIV/CSS days to shunt stuff around quickly, before diving in to clean up the code afterwards.

untog 6y ago
One big issue these days is mobile. A lot more difficult to do responsive design in the kind of UI Dreamweaver once provided.
- detritus 6y ago
  Sure, but I'd then suggest it almost makes things easier - today's internet consumers are generally expectant of a certain range of formats, rather than the early CSS Days' DIV Free For All. A neat contemporary version of Dreamweaver, with a focus on CSS/Grid, Responsive layouts, etc, could be great!

batsteek 6y ago

There is an article on this very subject that I invite you to read: https://pinegrow.com/blog/pinegrow-for-dreamweaver-users/ https://pinegrow.com/blog/pinegrow-for-dreamweaver-users/

blacksmith_tb 6y ago

Well, given that Squarespace/Wix/Weebly etc. are selling Dreamweaver-as-a-service (plus hosting), I would say there's a lot of demand still. Pinegrow seems like it would cater to someone slightly more technical (since you need to figure deploying/hosting), but not willing to entirely learn the frontend stuff just to make a simple site. I have plenty of sympathy with that, it's better than going with WordPress for a four-page brochure site, at least.

marc_io 6y ago
It's definitely a useful tool for more technical oriented people too. Someone would definitely need to have his/her front-end chops in place to work with Pinegrow without frameworks.

marc_io 6y ago

This is different from Dreamweaver in a lot of ways. It's not like Webflow either, which writes code for you, quite in a verbose way and without real support for lots of niceties, like CSS Variables. Pinegrow lets you choose a framework or allow you to write code yourself, as you wish. If you choose the latter, it just gives you visual tools to create code that follows the standards.

znpy 6y ago

well, we had dreamweaver when browsers were pretty much toys, why can't we have dreamweaver now that browsers are gigantic application runtimes?