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This type of information is actively suppressed and speaking about is shamed

by logicslave12 6y ago

amanaplanacanal 6y ago
I’ve never heard about this being an problem. Can you point to some discussion of this topic?
- logicslave12 6y ago
  Bring it up at work and see how well that goes. Also I can’t really point to discussion on it, almost all of it is deleted on platforms like Reddit
  - everly 6y ago
    I mean, seems like a weird thing to discuss at work? Also this feels like concern trolling. You can have whatever discussion you want about the potential for there having been multiple waves of human migration out of Africa. Do it respectfully and without weird racist undertones and things will work out fine.
    - jokethrowaway 6y ago
      It depends on the environment. We had two "social crisis" like this in my workplace. One was a triggered by an innocent remark about someone not seeing the wage gap between women and men in his personal circle and then mentioning there are too many variables to say a wage gap exist. The person got massively and publicly shut down by leaders in the company who wrote lengthy messages about it and explained holding this belief wasn't acceptable in this company and rationalised the reaction with other leaders saying it was a way to send a message. They didn't manage to get the guy fired (but they tried!) and he left after a few months of radio silence. Sure thing, nobody else dared to say something about it but the victim got messages of support by tons of people afraid to speak up. My opinion is that, given it's a company's private space, the company could limit freedom of speech and ban public political discussion to avoid this scenario - still, seeing people trying to force their dogma on other people was shocking.
      - matheusmoreira 6y ago
        Think as you like, but behave like others. https://medium.com/@alexanderemmanual/law-38-think-as-you-like-but-behave-like-others-8ff0fd646406 https://medium.com/@alexanderemmanual/law-38-think-as-you-li...
      - CryptoPunk 6y ago
        Laws put in place by the political left open companies that don't shut down this kind of speech to sex and race discrimination lawsuits. The utterances of these kinds of statements within a workplace can be used by a lawyer to paint the corporate culture as one that is sexist/racist/etc. After Google fired the engineer, Damore, for his statements criticizing the discriminatory nature of affirmative action, and potential biological differences being the cause of the disparity between the number of men and women in computer science and engineering, the company actually received open letters from leading Democrats demanding that such an event never transpire again. It's approaching something like a state ideology, with billions of dollars at stake in its tenets being upheld and not questioned.
  - bsanr2 6y ago
    The problem is people trying to draw conclusions from the bare facts that said bare facts do not support. That tends to be the aim of "bringing it up," and people are right to shame this anti-scientific behavior.
- jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
  Genesis chapter 11 verse 10 explains the genealogy of shem Shem was a black man, in africa. Repeat this fact they can't laugh at ya Genesis 14 verse 13: Abraham steps on the scene. Being a descendent of shem which was a fact means Abraham too was black. Abraham born in the city of a black man named nimrod grandson of ham Ham had four sons, one was named canaan. Let me do some explainin Abraham was the father of isaac, isaac was the father of jacob. Jacob had twelve sons (for real) And these were the children of israel. According to genesis chapter 10, egyptians descended from Ham 400 years later, my brother re-upped. Moses was born in egypt. Moses had to be of the black race, because he spent 40 years in Pharoah's place. Moses passed as the Pharoah's grandson, so he had to look just like him...
  - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
    Getting downvoted for pointing out that every depiction of white biblical characters is a lie, because hn is racist I guess.
- jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
  So now you see even on hackernews, discussion of black history is discouraged. I tried to bring it up, and all I got was downvotes and flags. This is outrageous.

This type of information is actively suppressed and speaking about is shamed

amanaplanacanal 6y ago

I’ve never heard about this being an problem. Can you point to some discussion of this topic?

logicslave12 6y ago
Bring it up at work and see how well that goes. Also I can’t really point to discussion on it, almost all of it is deleted on platforms like Reddit
- everly 6y ago
  I mean, seems like a weird thing to discuss at work? Also this feels like concern trolling. You can have whatever discussion you want about the potential for there having been multiple waves of human migration out of Africa. Do it respectfully and without weird racist undertones and things will work out fine.
  - jokethrowaway 6y ago
    It depends on the environment. We had two "social crisis" like this in my workplace. One was a triggered by an innocent remark about someone not seeing the wage gap between women and men in his personal circle and then mentioning there are too many variables to say a wage gap exist. The person got massively and publicly shut down by leaders in the company who wrote lengthy messages about it and explained holding this belief wasn't acceptable in this company and rationalised the reaction with other leaders saying it was a way to send a message. They didn't manage to get the guy fired (but they tried!) and he left after a few months of radio silence. Sure thing, nobody else dared to say something about it but the victim got messages of support by tons of people afraid to speak up. My opinion is that, given it's a company's private space, the company could limit freedom of speech and ban public political discussion to avoid this scenario - still, seeing people trying to force their dogma on other people was shocking.
    - matheusmoreira 6y ago
      Think as you like, but behave like others. https://medium.com/@alexanderemmanual/law-38-think-as-you-like-but-behave-like-others-8ff0fd646406 https://medium.com/@alexanderemmanual/law-38-think-as-you-li...
    - CryptoPunk 6y ago
      Laws put in place by the political left open companies that don't shut down this kind of speech to sex and race discrimination lawsuits. The utterances of these kinds of statements within a workplace can be used by a lawyer to paint the corporate culture as one that is sexist/racist/etc. After Google fired the engineer, Damore, for his statements criticizing the discriminatory nature of affirmative action, and potential biological differences being the cause of the disparity between the number of men and women in computer science and engineering, the company actually received open letters from leading Democrats demanding that such an event never transpire again. It's approaching something like a state ideology, with billions of dollars at stake in its tenets being upheld and not questioned.
- bsanr2 6y ago
  The problem is people trying to draw conclusions from the bare facts that said bare facts do not support. That tends to be the aim of "bringing it up," and people are right to shame this anti-scientific behavior.
jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
Genesis chapter 11 verse 10 explains the genealogy of shem Shem was a black man, in africa. Repeat this fact they can't laugh at ya Genesis 14 verse 13: Abraham steps on the scene. Being a descendent of shem which was a fact means Abraham too was black. Abraham born in the city of a black man named nimrod grandson of ham Ham had four sons, one was named canaan. Let me do some explainin Abraham was the father of isaac, isaac was the father of jacob. Jacob had twelve sons (for real) And these were the children of israel. According to genesis chapter 10, egyptians descended from Ham 400 years later, my brother re-upped. Moses was born in egypt. Moses had to be of the black race, because he spent 40 years in Pharoah's place. Moses passed as the Pharoah's grandson, so he had to look just like him...
- jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
  Getting downvoted for pointing out that every depiction of white biblical characters is a lie, because hn is racist I guess.
jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
So now you see even on hackernews, discussion of black history is discouraged. I tried to bring it up, and all I got was downvotes and flags. This is outrageous.