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What’s the difference between forced labor in China, vs prisoner firefighter in California?

phist_mcgee 6y ago
One involves imprisonment with no chance of release with potential torture, the other is allowed free after their jail term. I don't understand your comparison?
- berdario 6y ago
  Exactly, in the US you are left at the mercy of cruel jailors who will torture you https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/08/wait-do-people-actually-know-just-how-evil-this-man-is https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/08/wait-do-people-actual... You'll be forced to work and live in prisons overrun by the pandemic https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/coronavirus-sweeping-through-massive-us-prison-population https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/coronavirus-sweepi... Even if you're released, you'll be jailed right away if the battery of your electronic monitor will ran out https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-ankle-monitors-are-another-kind-of-jail/ https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-ankle-monitors-are-anoth... Tt'll be though rebuilding your life, since employment opportunities are denied to ex-inmates, and thanks to probation fees, you'll be saddled with debts hard to pull away from. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2019/04/09/probation_income https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2019/04/09/probation_incom... Ultimately, if you fail to repay those fees, you'll be jailed again. The system works wonderfully... for the for-profit prisons https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/capitalizing-on-mass-incarceration-u-s-growth-in-private-prisons/ https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/capitalizing-... The US is a modern day dystopia, and I don't think that anyone seriously thinks that China's prison system is as bad as the US'
  - phist_mcgee 6y ago
    I do think it's worse. You certainly do not get a lawyer, and you sure as shit do not get the right to a fair trial in china.
    - berdario 6y ago
      You might want to educate yourself: https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/the-right-to-an-attorney-and-your-attorneys-rights/ https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/the-right-to-an-attorne... It's far from perfect, but better than in the US
      - phist_mcgee 6y ago
        > The criminal representation rate now is generally said to be somewhere between 30-50%. Last I checked, in the US, every person is entitled to representation. You want to argue that a country without a separate independent judiciary is capable of producing fairer outcomes for individuals without political collusion?

One involves imprisonment with no chance of release with potential torture, the other is allowed free after their jail term. I don't understand your comparison?

berdario 6y ago
Exactly, in the US you are left at the mercy of cruel jailors who will torture you https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/08/wait-do-people-actually-know-just-how-evil-this-man-is https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/08/wait-do-people-actual... You'll be forced to work and live in prisons overrun by the pandemic https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/coronavirus-sweeping-through-massive-us-prison-population https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/coronavirus-sweepi... Even if you're released, you'll be jailed right away if the battery of your electronic monitor will ran out https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-ankle-monitors-are-another-kind-of-jail/ https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-ankle-monitors-are-anoth... Tt'll be though rebuilding your life, since employment opportunities are denied to ex-inmates, and thanks to probation fees, you'll be saddled with debts hard to pull away from. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2019/04/09/probation_income https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2019/04/09/probation_incom... Ultimately, if you fail to repay those fees, you'll be jailed again. The system works wonderfully... for the for-profit prisons https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/capitalizing-on-mass-incarceration-u-s-growth-in-private-prisons/ https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/capitalizing-... The US is a modern day dystopia, and I don't think that anyone seriously thinks that China's prison system is as bad as the US'
- phist_mcgee 6y ago
  I do think it's worse. You certainly do not get a lawyer, and you sure as shit do not get the right to a fair trial in china.
  - berdario 6y ago
    You might want to educate yourself: https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/the-right-to-an-attorney-and-your-attorneys-rights/ https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/the-right-to-an-attorne... It's far from perfect, but better than in the US
    - phist_mcgee 6y ago
      > The criminal representation rate now is generally said to be somewhere between 30-50%. Last I checked, in the US, every person is entitled to representation. You want to argue that a country without a separate independent judiciary is capable of producing fairer outcomes for individuals without political collusion?