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We need to remember "you are not your salary". Comments like "an insulting $60,000" or "only $100,000" makes me shake my head. Your salary is not something you

by plus2 15y ago

We need to remember "you are not your salary". Comments like "an insulting $60,000" or "only $100,000" makes me shake my head. Your salary is not something you have to brag about.Your worth is not determined by your salary. A developer can create millions of dollars in value. Think how much value DHH created with Rails or Linus with Git and Linux. Or Damien with CouchDB. Remember Steve Jobs salary is $1 a year. Our goal as hackers is to create value, millions of dollars worth of value. This salary talk makes us look like programmers not hackers.

daemin 15y ago
That is if you have some sort of interest in what you are doing. Either shares in or ownership of the company, enjoying the project you are working on (and hence it can be considered a hobby), or just doing the job for the money so that you can follow your passion outside of work. Salary isn't everything but it may be key thing keeping you at your job.
Saavedro 15y ago
Which is all well and good, but to say that salary doesn't matter is bupkis. If you're creating significant value and getting little for it, you're getting the short end of the stick. If you notice you're getting the short end of the stick, you're probably going to feel like crap. Mind that lots of developers, if working for a company, don't own what they create. "Our goal as hackers is to create value, millions of dollars worth of value." Screw that. My goal is to enjoy life, have fun, work on interesting stuff and not feel like I'm getting screwed over in the process.
- bcaulf 15y ago
  Forgive me, but I think you meant that to say that salary doesn't matter is mishuggeneh. Bupkis is what you'll have in your bank account if you go on thinking this way. I'm not even Jewish. This is just from years in New York.
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danssig 15y ago
DHH, Linus and Damien all got publicity from what they created. In marketing terminology, they did a "loss leader" and it worked. Jobs' salary is $1 a year but that's not what his stock options are. How do you think the man got to be worth billions? >Our goal as hackers is to create value, millions of dollars worth of value. I do want to create things and I don't care about how much money what I create is worth. Sadly, my landlord doesn't see it this way. I have to buy in a free market and work in a free market, why would I purposely avoid participating in one when it comes to my salary (i.e. my only hope to ever actually get to hack on what I care about hacking on)?

by plus2 15y ago

daemin 15y ago

That is if you have some sort of interest in what you are doing. Either shares in or ownership of the company, enjoying the project you are working on (and hence it can be considered a hobby), or just doing the job for the money so that you can follow your passion outside of work. Salary isn't everything but it may be key thing keeping you at your job.

Saavedro 15y ago

Which is all well and good, but to say that salary doesn't matter is bupkis. If you're creating significant value and getting little for it, you're getting the short end of the stick. If you notice you're getting the short end of the stick, you're probably going to feel like crap. Mind that lots of developers, if working for a company, don't own what they create. "Our goal as hackers is to create value, millions of dollars worth of value." Screw that. My goal is to enjoy life, have fun, work on interesting stuff and not feel like I'm getting screwed over in the process.

bcaulf 15y ago
Forgive me, but I think you meant that to say that salary doesn't matter is mishuggeneh. Bupkis is what you'll have in your bank account if you go on thinking this way. I'm not even Jewish. This is just from years in New York.

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danssig 15y ago

DHH, Linus and Damien all got publicity from what they created. In marketing terminology, they did a "loss leader" and it worked. Jobs' salary is $1 a year but that's not what his stock options are. How do you think the man got to be worth billions? >Our goal as hackers is to create value, millions of dollars worth of value. I do want to create things and I don't care about how much money what I create is worth. Sadly, my landlord doesn't see it this way. I have to buy in a free market and work in a free market, why would I purposely avoid participating in one when it comes to my salary (i.e. my only hope to ever actually get to hack on what I care about hacking on)?