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Friendly reminder that when what can and cannot be said is chosen by a private company, they will always choose what’s better for their business. The only way

by nisuni 6y ago

Friendly reminder that when what can and cannot be said is chosen by a private company, they will always choose what’s better for their business. The only way of having some moral (rather than commercial) principles guiding the choice, is to regulate it at government level.

treeman79 6y ago
That is much worse. I can quit Facebook. Quitting a country is not practical.
- nisuni 6y ago
  But a country’s policy is decided by the citizens, if you live in a democracy. Facebook’s policy is decided by its CEO and few others. Citizens/users have no saying. There’s a big danger in shifting most of the public discourse to private platforms. We already have many example, YouTube banning anti-Erdogan keywords is just the first popping to my mind.
  - treeman79 6y ago
    The key difference is consequence. Tell Facebook no, they may kick you of. Tell the government no. You go to jail. Say no to that and you get shot. The moment it’s okay for government to control speech, you have China. Having armed government agents showing up at a house because they don’t “agree” with the official stance is a dictatorship.
    - nisuni 6y ago
      I never said it’s OK for the government to control speech undemocratically like happens in China, maybe I didn’t explain myself well. My point is: I would prefer the government decides democratically what can and cannot be told. And I am fine with a very liberal standard, in which almost everything can be told. I am pretty much a free speech absolutist. Everything can be said in my opinion. But, if limits are imposed by a democratic government they will at least follow some democratic standard. Limits imposed by private companies will only follow the money!
      - treeman79 6y ago
        I get your point. I just think it’s completely wrong. The moment government is allowed to say what is not “protected speech” it will be abused. Only one viewpoint will be allowed. Voting will be meaningless when only one side can get its message out.
bryan_w 6y ago
What are you on about? This is the result of Facebook being regulated at a government level.

by nisuni 6y ago

treeman79 6y ago

That is much worse. I can quit Facebook. Quitting a country is not practical.

nisuni 6y ago
But a country’s policy is decided by the citizens, if you live in a democracy. Facebook’s policy is decided by its CEO and few others. Citizens/users have no saying. There’s a big danger in shifting most of the public discourse to private platforms. We already have many example, YouTube banning anti-Erdogan keywords is just the first popping to my mind.
- treeman79 6y ago
  The key difference is consequence. Tell Facebook no, they may kick you of. Tell the government no. You go to jail. Say no to that and you get shot. The moment it’s okay for government to control speech, you have China. Having armed government agents showing up at a house because they don’t “agree” with the official stance is a dictatorship.
  - nisuni 6y ago
    I never said it’s OK for the government to control speech undemocratically like happens in China, maybe I didn’t explain myself well. My point is: I would prefer the government decides democratically what can and cannot be told. And I am fine with a very liberal standard, in which almost everything can be told. I am pretty much a free speech absolutist. Everything can be said in my opinion. But, if limits are imposed by a democratic government they will at least follow some democratic standard. Limits imposed by private companies will only follow the money!
    - treeman79 6y ago
      I get your point. I just think it’s completely wrong. The moment government is allowed to say what is not “protected speech” it will be abused. Only one viewpoint will be allowed. Voting will be meaningless when only one side can get its message out.

bryan_w 6y ago

What are you on about? This is the result of Facebook being regulated at a government level.