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Simple question to whoever is honestly defending Apple: What if Windows prevented people from installing anything on their computer except from the Microsoft St

Simple question to whoever is honestly defending Apple: What if Windows prevented people from installing anything on their computer except from the Microsoft Store. Then Microsoft forced every app to use their payment system and then charged an excessive 30% fee for each transaction. Would you think that's an abusive and illegal practice?

asien 6y ago
Thats already the case , it’s Windows S. But you have the choice between regular Windows and Locked down version.
- imtringued 6y ago
  Not on ARM. There you only have a choice between Microsoft store apps or emulated x86 applications. You're not going to use Firefox on Windows on ARM unless you download the x86 version which will perform very poorly.
  - jackbrookes 6y ago
    No, you can run native ARM apps sourced from outside the windows store.
  - whywhywhywhy 6y ago
    Not true here is the download to the exe for Windows Firefox ARM build. Took me 10 seconds to Google it.... https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/80.0b8/win64-aarch64/en-GB/Firefox%20Setup%2080.0b8.exe https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/relea...
BoboDupla 6y ago
I might be mistaken, but wasn't this the policy Apple had since the beginning of AppStore? Every developer and user knew from the beginning what they are getting into. With Windows it is different, no? It would be a drastic change to a product, which operated differently at the beginning.
- badestrand 6y ago
  Yes, the fee has been there since the beginning, if you use their payment system. I think the new and problematic policy is that they now - forbid you to use other payment systems than their own - forbid you to just add the 30% to your price on iOS compared to other platforms - forbid you to mention to the user that they can pay on the company's website or through other channels Also their own product's don't have to pay the fee. So Apple Music can charge 30% less than Spotify or Spotify can distribute significantly less of the revenue to the artists.
  - InvOfSmallC 6y ago
    Honestly, it escapes me how these three condition can be legal conditions. I don't in EU you can actually do that.
  - zuhsetaqi 6y ago
    > forbid you to just add the 30% to your price on iOS compared to other platforms That’s new to me. Any source of that?
  - another_kel 6y ago
    >- forbid you to just add the 30% to your price on iOS compared to other platforms But google does exactly that for their Youtube Premium(and Youtube music). I'm sure this isn't prohibited.

asien 6y ago

Thats already the case , it’s Windows S. But you have the choice between regular Windows and Locked down version.

imtringued 6y ago
Not on ARM. There you only have a choice between Microsoft store apps or emulated x86 applications. You're not going to use Firefox on Windows on ARM unless you download the x86 version which will perform very poorly.
- jackbrookes 6y ago
  No, you can run native ARM apps sourced from outside the windows store.
- whywhywhywhy 6y ago
  Not true here is the download to the exe for Windows Firefox ARM build. Took me 10 seconds to Google it.... https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/80.0b8/win64-aarch64/en-GB/Firefox%20Setup%2080.0b8.exe https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/relea...

BoboDupla 6y ago

I might be mistaken, but wasn't this the policy Apple had since the beginning of AppStore? Every developer and user knew from the beginning what they are getting into. With Windows it is different, no? It would be a drastic change to a product, which operated differently at the beginning.

badestrand 6y ago
Yes, the fee has been there since the beginning, if you use their payment system. I think the new and problematic policy is that they now - forbid you to use other payment systems than their own - forbid you to just add the 30% to your price on iOS compared to other platforms - forbid you to mention to the user that they can pay on the company's website or through other channels Also their own product's don't have to pay the fee. So Apple Music can charge 30% less than Spotify or Spotify can distribute significantly less of the revenue to the artists.
- InvOfSmallC 6y ago
  Honestly, it escapes me how these three condition can be legal conditions. I don't in EU you can actually do that.
- zuhsetaqi 6y ago
  > forbid you to just add the 30% to your price on iOS compared to other platforms That’s new to me. Any source of that?
- another_kel 6y ago
  >- forbid you to just add the 30% to your price on iOS compared to other platforms But google does exactly that for their Youtube Premium(and Youtube music). I'm sure this isn't prohibited.