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>Why not just look at other countries, see which have had the best outcomes, and copy them? Because if the R0 value for asymptomatic cases is high enough you w

by schemy 6y ago

>Why not just look at other countries, see which have had the best outcomes, and copy them? Because if the R0 value for asymptomatic cases is high enough you will need 2 week quarantine for all travelers and fortress boarders until the virus is eradicated everywhere. Something New Zealand is currently doing after implementing the most draconian nation wide lock-down. Do you support a barb wire wall around both the Canadian and Mexican border with lethal force counter measures if anyone tries to pass and forced isolation of all travelers?

GlennS 6y ago
If you think New Zealand's approach is infeasible, perhaps instead take inspiration from some of the countries with land borders that are doing well?
- nradov 6y ago
  After some initial problems, Sweden appears to be doing well for the past several weeks.
  - bildung 6y ago
    I wouldn't say so. The economical costs are very similar to its neighbors Denmark and Norway (around -6% GDP growth projected for 2020), but the death rate is 10x higher in Sweden.
  - dmitriid 6y ago
    > doing well for the past several weeks. How convenient of you to ignore all the weeks prior to "the past several" as in: significantly higher mortality rates than any of its neighbours. And the end result? Worst recession since WWII.
    - nradov 6y ago
      Almost all countries are in a recession now. Sweden appears to be performing most of it's neighbors. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/08/06/899776725/sweden-records-largest-gdp-drop-since-1980-but-outperforms-many-other-eu-countri https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...
      - dmitriid 6y ago
        Once again, you conveniently choose to ignore everything but the past week or so. How about "Sweden has the largest recession since WWII. The largest single quarter drop in the directly comparable time series. The drop (8.6%) is barely above EU average (11.9%), and the economy is expected to drop another 4-10% by October. They achieved this incredible economic feat by sacrificing 10 to 15 times the number of people compared to neighbours."
coldtea 6y ago
>Do you support a barb wire wall around both the Canadian and Mexican border with lethal force counter measures if anyone tries to pass and forced isolation of all travelers? If needed for public health reasons, and is short/mid-term, why not?

by schemy 6y ago

GlennS 6y ago

If you think New Zealand's approach is infeasible, perhaps instead take inspiration from some of the countries with land borders that are doing well?

nradov 6y ago
After some initial problems, Sweden appears to be doing well for the past several weeks.
- bildung 6y ago
  I wouldn't say so. The economical costs are very similar to its neighbors Denmark and Norway (around -6% GDP growth projected for 2020), but the death rate is 10x higher in Sweden.
- dmitriid 6y ago
  > doing well for the past several weeks. How convenient of you to ignore all the weeks prior to "the past several" as in: significantly higher mortality rates than any of its neighbours. And the end result? Worst recession since WWII.
  - nradov 6y ago
    Almost all countries are in a recession now. Sweden appears to be performing most of it's neighbors. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/08/06/899776725/sweden-records-largest-gdp-drop-since-1980-but-outperforms-many-other-eu-countri https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...
    - dmitriid 6y ago
      Once again, you conveniently choose to ignore everything but the past week or so. How about "Sweden has the largest recession since WWII. The largest single quarter drop in the directly comparable time series. The drop (8.6%) is barely above EU average (11.9%), and the economy is expected to drop another 4-10% by October. They achieved this incredible economic feat by sacrificing 10 to 15 times the number of people compared to neighbours."

coldtea 6y ago

>Do you support a barb wire wall around both the Canadian and Mexican border with lethal force counter measures if anyone tries to pass and forced isolation of all travelers? If needed for public health reasons, and is short/mid-term, why not?