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Interview Nightmares

16 points by shauns 6y ago

Like lots of people at the moment I found myself back on the job market. Things have been going well, but an interview yesterday included a (virtual equivalent) whiteboard coding exercise. Now, I’m not a huge fan of these and don’t use them in my own hiring. But as a dev of ~15y experience, still very much hands on, I should be able to handle it. I found myself drawing an absolute blank. The exercise was nothing too complicated really, but the brain would simply not engage. Nothing was working. As interviews go it was the worst experience I’ve ever had - I spent maybe twenty minutes in this blocked state but it felt like forever. So I’m now feeling pretty depressed about job prospects, coding ability, my capability as a human being etc. Sharing or talking about a problem always helps to process it, so I thought 1. Why not do that with anonymous internet strangers, and 2. Why not provide a place for people to do the same. So it would be great if people felt able to share their stories too. And for those of you also unexpectedly back in the job market: best of luck, you will get there.

DamonHD 6y ago
I am fairly competent, am CTO of my nth start-up, have had fairly well paid finance IT work in finance in London with multinational banks, etc, etc, and I have still drawn a complete blank sometimes, and other times have bowled the interviewers (and myself) over! It happens. It's the equivalent of writer's block and the fear of the blank page. Please just don't read too much into individual events.
- shauns 6y ago
  Thank you. Sleeping on it, and writing this post, has definitely bought things back into perspective: we can all have off days. It had been a while since I'd had this sort of negative experience, and what I would say is it's re-reminded me to make sure my hiring in the future caters for this sort of thing. Particularly for less experienced devs.
- scott31 6y ago
  How do you know you are fairly competent? If you were, maybe you would still be CTO of your 1st startup.
aguilar 6y ago
Hi. I went through the same problem. After passing a hard online test on Codility I had a live coding interview with a much simpler problem I just froze and could not solve on time. I found this article here on HN and it helped me understand what happened. https://news.ncsu.edu/2020/07/tech-job-interviews-anxiety/ https://news.ncsu.edu/2020/07/tech-job-interviews-anxiety/
- shauns 6y ago
  Thanks for sharing - and that article is really interesting. Being "good at hiring" -- and hence having better people -- is such an advantage for an organisation, it always surprises me that too often we fall back on seemingly default hiring processes, and we don't look at the sorts of optimisations we could do to help surface the best candidates for a role.
  - adsjhdashkj 6y ago
    What's a good method of (technical) hiring in your view? For some context on my question: I'm part of a startup-ish group of people who, frankly, don't have a tech hiring group. We have ~25 engineers (i'm losing track these days lol), but no real manager-engineer bridge. Which translates to, we have a bunch of people who code but none who know how to hire. Unfortunately, i am one of those responsible for hiring, and i've got no clue what to do. We've gone through various attempts over the years. I've been part of ~15 hires for the company - most of our current tech side, to one degree or another. We heavily value hiring the "person" - so we try to suss out people values and cultural fit, but i think we really suffer from being able to evaluate the technical ability of the candidate. We're not worried about hiring the top talent of SF - we probably couldn't afford that anyway. But we do want bright people who can grow in the problems we're solving. This is where i'm struggling to improve on, as a person hiring. Thoughts?
    - shauns 6y ago
      Growth Mindset might be a bit of a wooly term but that tends to be what I look for. I want people who continually get better. There are lots of resources on specific things you can discuss for this. For me, I think simply asking "what was a recent new thing you had to learn" opens up a good conversation. For ascertaining whether someone meets a technical bar -- the gold standard has to be facilitating some way where they can do some actual work with you. That might be v difficult depending on nature of stack, tech debt, etc. But the closer you can make that sort of process to what would really be happening, the better. Coding exercises really only prove someone is good at coding exercises -- that may or may not have any relevancy to what you do I think.
rikroots 6y ago
I suffered a brain freeze at an interview once. My brain freeze was not caused by anxiety, but rather the Office Dog wandering into the interview room, sitting down on my feet and shoving its snout firmly between my legs.
sethammons 6y ago
I once forgot how to write a simple join in SQL during an interview. Full blank. It is like forgetting how to tie your shoes. The second I walked out of the building, I instantly recalled the insanely simple task.
- shauns 6y ago
  That is a perfect analogy!
smtlaissezfaire 6y ago
Thanks for posting. We've all been there. This is something I'm working on solving: https://www.srchparty.com/ https://www.srchparty.com/
giantg2 6y ago
Don't worry. Even if you're a shitty developer (which I doubt), I'll always be shittier. I once had an interview that was so bad that I asked the manager at the end why he even gave me an interview. He wanted a UI expert. His posting didn't mention that requirement and my resume didn't list that type of experience. It was a huge waste of our time.
- duggable 6y ago
  Ooof, that sounds awful. Don't worry, there's no way you're a shittier developer than me. Maybe we should form a club.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    I don't think so. Pretty sure it's only a matter of time before I get fired. I'm very demoralized by the past treatment the company has given me. I moved to a new team but they just bounce me from technology to technology with no training (Splunk, Tableau, Python, AWS). This will not allow me to become an expert in anything. They aren't happy with my output. Because my prior experience was FileNet and Neoxam, I don't have any career options.
    - duggable 6y ago
      Sorry friend. I don't have any advice, other than it sounds like it's time for a new job. There are places that will treat you better out there. Maybe put together a side project to learn a new technology that will make you more employable?
      - giantg2 6y ago
        Will it really be better at other places? The company I work for consistently makes the top 10 in ComputerWorld's best places to work in IT list. I did some very basic Android apps before. If I stick with the current job long enough then I should get better at Python and AWS.
        6y ago
ipi 6y ago
I recently had an interview where I was supposed to record the screen while I am solving the problem and share it with the interviewer. I couldn't do it. I am one of those people who's mind goes blank when someone is standing behind me and watching over the shoulders. The thought of recording my screen induced the same feelings.

16 points by shauns 6y ago

DamonHD 6y ago

I am fairly competent, am CTO of my nth start-up, have had fairly well paid finance IT work in finance in London with multinational banks, etc, etc, and I have still drawn a complete blank sometimes, and other times have bowled the interviewers (and myself) over! It happens. It's the equivalent of writer's block and the fear of the blank page. Please just don't read too much into individual events.

shauns 6y ago
Thank you. Sleeping on it, and writing this post, has definitely bought things back into perspective: we can all have off days. It had been a while since I'd had this sort of negative experience, and what I would say is it's re-reminded me to make sure my hiring in the future caters for this sort of thing. Particularly for less experienced devs.
scott31 6y ago
How do you know you are fairly competent? If you were, maybe you would still be CTO of your 1st startup.

aguilar 6y ago

Hi. I went through the same problem. After passing a hard online test on Codility I had a live coding interview with a much simpler problem I just froze and could not solve on time. I found this article here on HN and it helped me understand what happened. https://news.ncsu.edu/2020/07/tech-job-interviews-anxiety/ https://news.ncsu.edu/2020/07/tech-job-interviews-anxiety/

shauns 6y ago
Thanks for sharing - and that article is really interesting. Being "good at hiring" -- and hence having better people -- is such an advantage for an organisation, it always surprises me that too often we fall back on seemingly default hiring processes, and we don't look at the sorts of optimisations we could do to help surface the best candidates for a role.
- adsjhdashkj 6y ago
  What's a good method of (technical) hiring in your view? For some context on my question: I'm part of a startup-ish group of people who, frankly, don't have a tech hiring group. We have ~25 engineers (i'm losing track these days lol), but no real manager-engineer bridge. Which translates to, we have a bunch of people who code but none who know how to hire. Unfortunately, i am one of those responsible for hiring, and i've got no clue what to do. We've gone through various attempts over the years. I've been part of ~15 hires for the company - most of our current tech side, to one degree or another. We heavily value hiring the "person" - so we try to suss out people values and cultural fit, but i think we really suffer from being able to evaluate the technical ability of the candidate. We're not worried about hiring the top talent of SF - we probably couldn't afford that anyway. But we do want bright people who can grow in the problems we're solving. This is where i'm struggling to improve on, as a person hiring. Thoughts?
  - shauns 6y ago
    Growth Mindset might be a bit of a wooly term but that tends to be what I look for. I want people who continually get better. There are lots of resources on specific things you can discuss for this. For me, I think simply asking "what was a recent new thing you had to learn" opens up a good conversation. For ascertaining whether someone meets a technical bar -- the gold standard has to be facilitating some way where they can do some actual work with you. That might be v difficult depending on nature of stack, tech debt, etc. But the closer you can make that sort of process to what would really be happening, the better. Coding exercises really only prove someone is good at coding exercises -- that may or may not have any relevancy to what you do I think.

rikroots 6y ago

I suffered a brain freeze at an interview once. My brain freeze was not caused by anxiety, but rather the Office Dog wandering into the interview room, sitting down on my feet and shoving its snout firmly between my legs.

sethammons 6y ago

I once forgot how to write a simple join in SQL during an interview. Full blank. It is like forgetting how to tie your shoes. The second I walked out of the building, I instantly recalled the insanely simple task.

shauns 6y ago
That is a perfect analogy!

smtlaissezfaire 6y ago

Thanks for posting. We've all been there. This is something I'm working on solving: https://www.srchparty.com/ https://www.srchparty.com/

giantg2 6y ago

Don't worry. Even if you're a shitty developer (which I doubt), I'll always be shittier. I once had an interview that was so bad that I asked the manager at the end why he even gave me an interview. He wanted a UI expert. His posting didn't mention that requirement and my resume didn't list that type of experience. It was a huge waste of our time.

duggable 6y ago
Ooof, that sounds awful. Don't worry, there's no way you're a shittier developer than me. Maybe we should form a club.
- giantg2 6y ago
  I don't think so. Pretty sure it's only a matter of time before I get fired. I'm very demoralized by the past treatment the company has given me. I moved to a new team but they just bounce me from technology to technology with no training (Splunk, Tableau, Python, AWS). This will not allow me to become an expert in anything. They aren't happy with my output. Because my prior experience was FileNet and Neoxam, I don't have any career options.
  - duggable 6y ago
    Sorry friend. I don't have any advice, other than it sounds like it's time for a new job. There are places that will treat you better out there. Maybe put together a side project to learn a new technology that will make you more employable?
    - giantg2 6y ago
      Will it really be better at other places? The company I work for consistently makes the top 10 in ComputerWorld's best places to work in IT list. I did some very basic Android apps before. If I stick with the current job long enough then I should get better at Python and AWS.
      - 6y ago

ipi 6y ago

I recently had an interview where I was supposed to record the screen while I am solving the problem and share it with the interviewer. I couldn't do it. I am one of those people who's mind goes blank when someone is standing behind me and watching over the shoulders. The thought of recording my screen induced the same feelings.