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I don't think I'd ever get a plug in hybrid - most of the appeal to electric cars for me in the lack of maintenance and lack of things to break. Adding batterie

I don't think I'd ever get a plug in hybrid - most of the appeal to electric cars for me in the lack of maintenance and lack of things to break. Adding batteries to a gas car just seems like it's doubling the amount that can go wrong and makes the repairs much more expensive.

nradov 6y ago
Toyota plug-in hybrid cars are actually more reliable than comparable Tesla electric cars, despite the greater mechanical complexity. https://www.truedelta.com/Tesla-Model-3-vs-Toyota-Prius-Prime-reliability-comparison,1376-1393 https://www.truedelta.com/Tesla-Model-3-vs-Toyota-Prius-Prim...
- dencodev 6y ago
  All I see here are two percentages and a happy face and a sad face. It doesn't really have anything compelling for me to see. And if I'm more likely to need to get a model 3 serviced for something like a panel gap, I'd gladly take that over the risk of total ICE failure on a Toyota. The website says nothing about the severity of the problems, and it's really just the severe ones I care about.
  - dhosek 6y ago
    The plug-in hybrid is the non-plug-in hybrid with a bigger battery and an external charger. Before Toyota released their first plug-in model, this was a popular DIY hack. We had our non-plug-in Prius for ten years without a single problem before we sold it and bought the Pacifica. You're imagining an issue that doesn't exist. It's not some exotic technology, it's something that's been on the road for over two decades in its modern incarnation and has roots that extend back to the 19th century.
    - dencodev 6y ago
      ICEs have a track record of decades of catastrophic failures due to major component failure. Water pumps, timing belts, gasket leaks, fuel contamination, the list goes on. I've only ever seen a few catastrophic Tesla failures and only because literally every single time it happens it makes the news. Your single data point doesn't mean a whole lot. I realize this comes across as abrasive but I don't meant for it to. Just being conversational
  - nradov 6y ago
    Total drive train failures are far more common on Tesla cars than on Toyota plug-in hybrids. You have a badly skewed misunderstanding of the actual risks.
dhosek 6y ago
It's really not that different from a standard hybrid, other than the additional batteries and external charging mechanism. Hybrid technology is over 20 years old now and is no less reliable than a pure internal combustion engine. The plugin has the additional advantage over an EV of eliminating range anxiety since we know that we can always revert to gasoline mode. We have the first model year of the Pacifica hybrid and while there have been a few recalls, I don't think it's been any more than we had with, e.g., our Mazda 626 or our Prius.

nradov 6y ago

Toyota plug-in hybrid cars are actually more reliable than comparable Tesla electric cars, despite the greater mechanical complexity. https://www.truedelta.com/Tesla-Model-3-vs-Toyota-Prius-Prime-reliability-comparison,1376-1393 https://www.truedelta.com/Tesla-Model-3-vs-Toyota-Prius-Prim...

dencodev 6y ago
All I see here are two percentages and a happy face and a sad face. It doesn't really have anything compelling for me to see. And if I'm more likely to need to get a model 3 serviced for something like a panel gap, I'd gladly take that over the risk of total ICE failure on a Toyota. The website says nothing about the severity of the problems, and it's really just the severe ones I care about.
- dhosek 6y ago
  The plug-in hybrid is the non-plug-in hybrid with a bigger battery and an external charger. Before Toyota released their first plug-in model, this was a popular DIY hack. We had our non-plug-in Prius for ten years without a single problem before we sold it and bought the Pacifica. You're imagining an issue that doesn't exist. It's not some exotic technology, it's something that's been on the road for over two decades in its modern incarnation and has roots that extend back to the 19th century.
  - dencodev 6y ago
    ICEs have a track record of decades of catastrophic failures due to major component failure. Water pumps, timing belts, gasket leaks, fuel contamination, the list goes on. I've only ever seen a few catastrophic Tesla failures and only because literally every single time it happens it makes the news. Your single data point doesn't mean a whole lot. I realize this comes across as abrasive but I don't meant for it to. Just being conversational
- nradov 6y ago
  Total drive train failures are far more common on Tesla cars than on Toyota plug-in hybrids. You have a badly skewed misunderstanding of the actual risks.

dhosek 6y ago

It's really not that different from a standard hybrid, other than the additional batteries and external charging mechanism. Hybrid technology is over 20 years old now and is no less reliable than a pure internal combustion engine. The plugin has the additional advantage over an EV of eliminating range anxiety since we know that we can always revert to gasoline mode. We have the first model year of the Pacifica hybrid and while there have been a few recalls, I don't think it's been any more than we had with, e.g., our Mazda 626 or our Prius.