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> Its illegal to detain people for no reason. I agree and I find these events troubling. But I also want to put them in perspective. > Does one (or even a fe

> Its illegal to detain people for no reason. I agree and I find these events troubling. But I also want to put them in perspective. > Does one (or even a few) bad apple spoil the bunch? I don't understand the point you're making here. > Do you think that protesters like the Navy Vet, Naked Athena, the Wall of Moms, and even the Mayor of Portland really want to burn down a Federal building? As another commenter said, there are about 3 different groups with different adgendas operating in the area.

annoyingnoob 6y ago
Who exactly is calling for the the courthouse to burn? That is my point, while there may be some troublemakers the vast majority are not. While some find calls to defund the police offensive, others find the call to stop people from exercising their rights offensive.
- sky_lounge 6y ago
  > Who exactly is calling for the the courthouse to burn? The point of a mob is that having diffuse boundaries there is no central leader, planning, or accountability
  - annoyingnoob 6y ago
    > there is no central leader, planning, or accountability So the response should be police with no identification, planning, or accountability? And assault everyone?
    - sky_lounge 6y ago
      > police with no identification https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/feds-unmarked-vans-portland/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/feds-unmarked-vans-portlan... If this happened at all, there have only been 2 possible cases, and given that extent, we are not talking about a widespread phenomenon. The scope of the discussion and ramifications should account for that. > police with no.. planning, or accountability? Yes, I think an institution has a lot more of those things than a mob does. And just because that is true doesn't mean police need to be reformed. But i'm responding to your direct coments. > And assault everyone? Are they 'assaulting everyone?" I don't know what events you're talking about anymore.
      - annoyingnoob 6y ago
        You admit that there are possible cases where human rights were violated and yet you see no problem with that - that goes directly against our constitution and our natural rights as humans. So far there has been no accountability for the Feds. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/26/leaf-blower-wars-how-portland-protesters-are-fighting-back-against-tear-gas-forming-walls-veterans-lawyers-nurses/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/26/leaf-blower... "Typically, police fire the agent once or twice to clear crowds and encourage people to move away from an area, said Michelle Heisler, the medical director of Physicians for Human Rights. But in Portland, federal agents have been unleashing the chemicals repeatedly for hours. This sustained cascade makes it difficult for peaceful demonstrators to avoid being hit and runs the risk of ensnaring bystanders in the area, she said." I find it sad that you hold the symbolism of a building over the lives and fair treatment of your countrymen.
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annoyingnoob 6y ago

Who exactly is calling for the the courthouse to burn? That is my point, while there may be some troublemakers the vast majority are not. While some find calls to defund the police offensive, others find the call to stop people from exercising their rights offensive.

sky_lounge 6y ago
> Who exactly is calling for the the courthouse to burn? The point of a mob is that having diffuse boundaries there is no central leader, planning, or accountability
- annoyingnoob 6y ago
  > there is no central leader, planning, or accountability So the response should be police with no identification, planning, or accountability? And assault everyone?
  - sky_lounge 6y ago
    > police with no identification https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/feds-unmarked-vans-portland/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/feds-unmarked-vans-portlan... If this happened at all, there have only been 2 possible cases, and given that extent, we are not talking about a widespread phenomenon. The scope of the discussion and ramifications should account for that. > police with no.. planning, or accountability? Yes, I think an institution has a lot more of those things than a mob does. And just because that is true doesn't mean police need to be reformed. But i'm responding to your direct coments. > And assault everyone? Are they 'assaulting everyone?" I don't know what events you're talking about anymore.
    - annoyingnoob 6y ago
      You admit that there are possible cases where human rights were violated and yet you see no problem with that - that goes directly against our constitution and our natural rights as humans. So far there has been no accountability for the Feds. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/26/leaf-blower-wars-how-portland-protesters-are-fighting-back-against-tear-gas-forming-walls-veterans-lawyers-nurses/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/26/leaf-blower... "Typically, police fire the agent once or twice to clear crowds and encourage people to move away from an area, said Michelle Heisler, the medical director of Physicians for Human Rights. But in Portland, federal agents have been unleashing the chemicals repeatedly for hours. This sustained cascade makes it difficult for peaceful demonstrators to avoid being hit and runs the risk of ensnaring bystanders in the area, she said." I find it sad that you hold the symbolism of a building over the lives and fair treatment of your countrymen.
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