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By following the digital trail - https://www.insider.com/wayfair-human-trafficking-conspiracy-theory-tied-to-qanon-2020-7 https://www.insider.com/wayfair-human

By following the digital trail - https://www.insider.com/wayfair-human-trafficking-conspiracy-theory-tied-to-qanon-2020-7 https://www.insider.com/wayfair-human-trafficking-conspiracy...

skindoe 6y ago
That's not the evidence you think it is. In sports analogies That would be the equivalent of brian windhorst tweeting out something and then you saying that it came "Directly from LeBron James". People are not responsible for what their ignorant fans say.
- catalogia 6y ago
  Is "QAnon" even a person? I am under the impression that is a moniker that has likely been used by numerous unrelated people. I know believers of this stuff think "QAnon" is a person, but I've not seen any evidence that leads me to believe this is the case and quite a bit of conjecture / circumstantial evidence that suggests at one point the name was being used by a cabal of imageboard moderators.
  - AndrewBissell 6y ago
    There was an account on 8chan which would sign posts with "Q" and a unique hash which could be used to prove the identity of a particular person or group posting. Last I looked this account/hash hadn't been heard from in some time though.
    - skindoe 6y ago
      All the posts are viewable at Qmap.pub he posted less than 2 days ago. Encourage you to check it out.
      - catalogia 6y ago
        You say "he" but for all you really know any number of people could have knowledge of that tripcode.
- thephyber 6y ago
  That's a feature of QAnon, not a bug. If none of us knows the identity of "Q" then anyone can pretend to be their prophet and there is no way to confirm nor disconfirm. This is why I describe QAnon as a LARP -- it's easy for the average person to participate without knowing any rules (because there are none).
  - skindoe 6y ago
    Don't you think if your going to attempt to argue against someone you should argue against what they actually said? If so then why the double standard with Q there are dumb fans who post stupidity for literally everything. You would think people would actually quote the source (always ignored) instead of using a clear falacy of using ones followers to define them.
    - thephyber 6y ago
      > People are not responsible for what their ignorant fans say. This is what I'm arguing against. When it comes to QAnon, you can't know the difference between QAnon, QAnon fans, and any rando who pretends to be either. It's a feature of the LARP.
  - gremlinsinc 6y ago
    Sounds like they ripped off a lot from Anonymous, except went right-wing w/ it, whereas Anonymous is definitely more likely to be part of antifa. Anyone can say they are part of anonymous and create their own anonymous branded videos....etc..
    - thephyber 6y ago
      To be fair, I think they both likely started on 4Chan, which has those same features. In a way, it's a natural evolution of the "meme", which was originally a word coined by Dawkins to describe the gene of biological evolution equivalent in cultural evolution. Nobody owns a meme. Rarely can we prove who was actually the first to use a meme (KnowYourMeme attempts this, but occasionally can't definitively identify the creator). Memes keep their virility based on the collective LARP that all humans participate in (sometimes the meme goes away and other times it stays active).
- djur 6y ago
  "QAnon" is generally used to refer to the conspiracy believer movement, not the supposed instigating figure behind it, who is just "Q".
- bynormous 6y ago
  No that's not an equivalent. QAnon is not a person in the same way LeBron James is a person. Is there a name for this logically fallacy where someone compares two wildly different scenarios thinking it's somehow related?
themark 6y ago
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- bynormous 6y ago
  Huh? The article I posted has a tweet from June 14. The reddit post in your newsweek is from July. Am I not understanding something?

By following the digital trail - https://www.insider.com/wayfair-human-trafficking-conspiracy-theory-tied-to-qanon-2020-7 https://www.insider.com/wayfair-human-trafficking-conspiracy...

skindoe 6y ago

That's not the evidence you think it is. In sports analogies That would be the equivalent of brian windhorst tweeting out something and then you saying that it came "Directly from LeBron James". People are not responsible for what their ignorant fans say.

catalogia 6y ago
Is "QAnon" even a person? I am under the impression that is a moniker that has likely been used by numerous unrelated people. I know believers of this stuff think "QAnon" is a person, but I've not seen any evidence that leads me to believe this is the case and quite a bit of conjecture / circumstantial evidence that suggests at one point the name was being used by a cabal of imageboard moderators.
- AndrewBissell 6y ago
  There was an account on 8chan which would sign posts with "Q" and a unique hash which could be used to prove the identity of a particular person or group posting. Last I looked this account/hash hadn't been heard from in some time though.
  - skindoe 6y ago
    All the posts are viewable at Qmap.pub he posted less than 2 days ago. Encourage you to check it out.
    - catalogia 6y ago
      You say "he" but for all you really know any number of people could have knowledge of that tripcode.
thephyber 6y ago
That's a feature of QAnon, not a bug. If none of us knows the identity of "Q" then anyone can pretend to be their prophet and there is no way to confirm nor disconfirm. This is why I describe QAnon as a LARP -- it's easy for the average person to participate without knowing any rules (because there are none).
- skindoe 6y ago
  Don't you think if your going to attempt to argue against someone you should argue against what they actually said? If so then why the double standard with Q there are dumb fans who post stupidity for literally everything. You would think people would actually quote the source (always ignored) instead of using a clear falacy of using ones followers to define them.
  - thephyber 6y ago
    > People are not responsible for what their ignorant fans say. This is what I'm arguing against. When it comes to QAnon, you can't know the difference between QAnon, QAnon fans, and any rando who pretends to be either. It's a feature of the LARP.
- gremlinsinc 6y ago
  Sounds like they ripped off a lot from Anonymous, except went right-wing w/ it, whereas Anonymous is definitely more likely to be part of antifa. Anyone can say they are part of anonymous and create their own anonymous branded videos....etc..
  - thephyber 6y ago
    To be fair, I think they both likely started on 4Chan, which has those same features. In a way, it's a natural evolution of the "meme", which was originally a word coined by Dawkins to describe the gene of biological evolution equivalent in cultural evolution. Nobody owns a meme. Rarely can we prove who was actually the first to use a meme (KnowYourMeme attempts this, but occasionally can't definitively identify the creator). Memes keep their virility based on the collective LARP that all humans participate in (sometimes the meme goes away and other times it stays active).
djur 6y ago
"QAnon" is generally used to refer to the conspiracy believer movement, not the supposed instigating figure behind it, who is just "Q".
bynormous 6y ago
No that's not an equivalent. QAnon is not a person in the same way LeBron James is a person. Is there a name for this logically fallacy where someone compares two wildly different scenarios thinking it's somehow related?

themark 6y ago

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bynormous 6y ago
Huh? The article I posted has a tweet from June 14. The reddit post in your newsweek is from July. Am I not understanding something?