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But UKIP split the vote. From memory, the combination of UKIP and Conservative total votes was > 50%.

arethuza 6y ago
The Conservatives got 43.6% and UKIP got 0.1% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_el... NB You perhaps meant the Brexit party, who got 2%, rather than UKIP
- danielmg 6y ago
  I was referring to the 2015 and 2016 elections - i.e the election to get the referendum and the election following the referendum.
  - arethuza 6y ago
    In the 2017 General Election the Conservatives got 42.3% of vote and UKIP 1.8% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_el... Note sure how a Yes/No referendum can have a split vote?
    - danielmg 6y ago
      a) I meant 2017 - the post referendum election as I wrote b) I said from memory - my memory was obviously wrong. Please forgive me oh great one.
chrisseaton 6y ago
> the combination of UKIP and Conservative total votes was > 50% This is a false statement. Even if you include the larger Brexit party as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_el...
- danielmg 6y ago
  I was referring to the 2015 and 2016 elections - i.e the election to get the referendum and the election following the referendum.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    > I was referring to the 2015 and 2016 elections But your claim isn't true for 2015 either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_Kingdom_general_election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_Kingdom_general_el... 36.8 + 12.6 = 49.4% And there wasn't any election in 2016. Do you mean the referendum? You cannot 'split the vote' in a yes/no referendum, can you? Your claim is also not true for 2017, before you try that one as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_el... 42.3 + 1.8 = 44.1%
    - danielmg 6y ago
      sorry 2017, a typo - I will chastise immediately And it's by far and away the largest grouping in parliament. The UK's regional politics make it something that isn't going to be binary. I'm not "trying" anything. I'm just sick of the bs around Ruskies telling people to Brexit. I did say "from memory". Anyway - I voted remain. I just can't stand the Ruskies thing and the constant revisiting of the referendum result with different angles of "but it's not valid" used each time.
  - scatters 6y ago
    In the 2015 election the Tories got 36.8% and the Faragists 12.6%, summing to 49.4%; the Tories were at that point more or less neutral on Europe so by no means representing a Brexit constituency. In 2017 the Tories took 42.3% and the Nuttalls 1.8%, totalling 44.1%. Of course, even at that point the Tories still accommodated some Remain views. In 2019 with Remainers and the insufficiently fervent purged for the most part, the Tories took 43.6%, Farage 2% and the rump UKIP 0.1% to total 45.7%. I suppose you could add in the Prods, but that still won't get you to 50%.

The Conservatives got 43.6% and UKIP got 0.1% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_el... NB You perhaps meant the Brexit party, who got 2%, rather than UKIP

danielmg 6y ago
I was referring to the 2015 and 2016 elections - i.e the election to get the referendum and the election following the referendum.
- arethuza 6y ago
  In the 2017 General Election the Conservatives got 42.3% of vote and UKIP 1.8% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_el... Note sure how a Yes/No referendum can have a split vote?
  - danielmg 6y ago
    a) I meant 2017 - the post referendum election as I wrote b) I said from memory - my memory was obviously wrong. Please forgive me oh great one.

chrisseaton 6y ago

> the combination of UKIP and Conservative total votes was > 50% This is a false statement. Even if you include the larger Brexit party as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_el...

danielmg 6y ago
I was referring to the 2015 and 2016 elections - i.e the election to get the referendum and the election following the referendum.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  > I was referring to the 2015 and 2016 elections But your claim isn't true for 2015 either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_Kingdom_general_election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_Kingdom_general_el... 36.8 + 12.6 = 49.4% And there wasn't any election in 2016. Do you mean the referendum? You cannot 'split the vote' in a yes/no referendum, can you? Your claim is also not true for 2017, before you try that one as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_Kingdom_general_el... 42.3 + 1.8 = 44.1%
  - danielmg 6y ago
    sorry 2017, a typo - I will chastise immediately And it's by far and away the largest grouping in parliament. The UK's regional politics make it something that isn't going to be binary. I'm not "trying" anything. I'm just sick of the bs around Ruskies telling people to Brexit. I did say "from memory". Anyway - I voted remain. I just can't stand the Ruskies thing and the constant revisiting of the referendum result with different angles of "but it's not valid" used each time.
- scatters 6y ago
  In the 2015 election the Tories got 36.8% and the Faragists 12.6%, summing to 49.4%; the Tories were at that point more or less neutral on Europe so by no means representing a Brexit constituency. In 2017 the Tories took 42.3% and the Nuttalls 1.8%, totalling 44.1%. Of course, even at that point the Tories still accommodated some Remain views. In 2019 with Remainers and the insufficiently fervent purged for the most part, the Tories took 43.6%, Farage 2% and the rump UKIP 0.1% to total 45.7%. I suppose you could add in the Prods, but that still won't get you to 50%.