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I wouldn't put the focus on it being ONLY 850k, that seems a competent price, I would really like to know how in the world they spent 11M on the uk one...

ericlewis 6y ago
this is the first I have learned about its price, and I will say- that seems about right given the resources.
addicted 6y ago
That’s like 4 SV devs working a year. And just in salaries, not including payroll taxes, office space, admins, QAs, etc. 850k sounds eminently reasonable for such an undertaking in such a short period of time.
- Sephiroth87 6y ago
  That's what I'm saying, it's the 11M that's not reasonable...
  - addicted44 6y ago
    I wasn't intending on disputing your statement but merely adding to it. Apologies if it came across that way.
- ericlewis 6y ago
  We had a team of great devs and designers who worked on this. What most would consider “par for the course” in relation to an MVP startup for instance.
Someone 6y ago
I don’t know specifics about the UK version, but most of those costs likely weren’t on the app proper. They did run a field test, for example. For comparison, the German version cost millions, too. That included multi-language support, setting up help lines, security evaluation, load testing millions of concurrent users and, IIRC, connecting to quite a few of different hospital computer systems. Add in time pressure, and costs go up. Germany did get a quality system, judging by what the spokesman for the Chaos Computer Club said (paraphrasing: ‘we have the unfamiliar problem that there is so little to complain about’. They never endorse stuff, so that’s about as endorsing as their statements can get)
- donaltroddyn 6y ago
  It also includes the DPIA, which in itself can be an expensive process. There was a lot of concern/press in Ireland pre-release about the privacy implications of the app. It's hot on the heels of a "mandatory but not compulsory" national ID card fiasco that was determined to be unlawful by the privacy regulator last year: https://www.thejournal.ie/psc-no-legal-basis-4766822-Aug2019/ https://www.thejournal.ie/psc-no-legal-basis-4766822-Aug2019...
  - ericlewis 6y ago
    You’re not wrong.
- ericlewis 6y ago
  We ran a field test too. But again; I probably can’t talk about that much. Sorry. If you have more in depth technical questions I might be able to answer them.

ericlewis 6y ago

this is the first I have learned about its price, and I will say- that seems about right given the resources.

addicted 6y ago

That’s like 4 SV devs working a year. And just in salaries, not including payroll taxes, office space, admins, QAs, etc. 850k sounds eminently reasonable for such an undertaking in such a short period of time.

Sephiroth87 6y ago
That's what I'm saying, it's the 11M that's not reasonable...
- addicted44 6y ago
  I wasn't intending on disputing your statement but merely adding to it. Apologies if it came across that way.
ericlewis 6y ago
We had a team of great devs and designers who worked on this. What most would consider “par for the course” in relation to an MVP startup for instance.

Someone 6y ago

I don’t know specifics about the UK version, but most of those costs likely weren’t on the app proper. They did run a field test, for example. For comparison, the German version cost millions, too. That included multi-language support, setting up help lines, security evaluation, load testing millions of concurrent users and, IIRC, connecting to quite a few of different hospital computer systems. Add in time pressure, and costs go up. Germany did get a quality system, judging by what the spokesman for the Chaos Computer Club said (paraphrasing: ‘we have the unfamiliar problem that there is so little to complain about’. They never endorse stuff, so that’s about as endorsing as their statements can get)

donaltroddyn 6y ago
It also includes the DPIA, which in itself can be an expensive process. There was a lot of concern/press in Ireland pre-release about the privacy implications of the app. It's hot on the heels of a "mandatory but not compulsory" national ID card fiasco that was determined to be unlawful by the privacy regulator last year: https://www.thejournal.ie/psc-no-legal-basis-4766822-Aug2019/ https://www.thejournal.ie/psc-no-legal-basis-4766822-Aug2019...
- ericlewis 6y ago
  You’re not wrong.
ericlewis 6y ago
We ran a field test too. But again; I probably can’t talk about that much. Sorry. If you have more in depth technical questions I might be able to answer them.