4 ms·

I’ve wondered if it’s ok for black people to use HN, I’ve also wondered if it’s even ok for black people to be in tech. The term “woke” was coined by black peo

I’ve wondered if it’s ok for black people to use HN, I’ve also wondered if it’s even ok for black people to be in tech. The term “woke” was coined by black people for the purpose of empowerment and self-liberation, co-opted by white liberals to feel like they’re doing something, and then I see this site, which is supposed to be the antithesis of “woke” corporate culture. Black people have no choice to interpret this as “we want to keep ignoring a soft genocide”. No black person would want to be “unwoke” because to us that means enslavement, that’s how I know OP is nonblack.

cheesecracker 6y ago
Ridiculous. The HN crowd is mostly woke. To be honest I don't even feel like convincing you to be in tech or on HN. If you feel like that, maybe just let it be. And sorry, there definitely is no genocide going on. Have you even looked at population statistics lately? Edit: why don't you ponder what other people mean by "woke", and try t understand what they are talking about? Personally I don't care about your black history of "woke", I only care abut the present days culture wars.
- cheesecracker 6y ago
  Addendum: link for the population numbers of Blacks in the USA. Between 2010 and 2018 the percentage of the population that is Black has risen (as in most other years since early last century). No sign of ongoing genocide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_d...
- dang 6y ago
  Crossing into personal attack will get you banned here. Using HN for ideological battle is not ok either. Please don't post like this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: actually, it looks like you've been banned repeatedly for doing this on HN. That's not cool, so I've banned this account as well. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
  - sdfkkikig 6y ago
    Yeah sorry I am not creating accounts to break the rules. I simply don't understand you. In my opinion what I wrote was neither a personal attack (I called his argument ridiculous, not him - and I was referring to his notion that it might not be OK for black people to use HN), nor an ideological battle. While the topic is an ideological battleground, which has a real effect on the tech industry, my stance in this particular discussion would be that people simply should be allowed to work without having to be involved in such culture wars (I also did not create that website unwoke.hr, I only posted it to HN). If he wants to be "woke" and do activism and so on, I have nothing against it, at least not in the context of this discussion. I just don't want to be affected by it. I don't want to talk him out of it or anything - so where exactly is your problem? I don't see the point of you banning my account for a discussion in a thread that has already been flagged. Obviously only people who want it would see the further discussion. I'm really not sure what you would consider an appropriate discussion of the topic? Obviously it is ideologically charged, but it IS a job board for the tech industry, and it is a subject that affects many who work in tech. Ironic that you banned me, because I had just been wondering that for all its flaws, at least HN is open to access for everybody. You can create an account in minutes, and there are no profile pics (so less danger of racism, for example). Except apparently not. (Also while it is quick to create accounts, I suppose you have automatic filters in place, so in effect it is not free for everyone. But still - it could have been a refuge from the totalitarian social networks).
    - dang 6y ago
      "Ridiculous. To be honest I don't even feel like convincing you. If you feel like that maybe just let it be. And sorry, there definitely is no. Have you even? Why don't you? Try to understand? Personally I don't care about your." That is dripping with internet snark and hostility and certainly crosses into personal attack. Also, the racebaiting aspect of what you posted is unwelcome here. I banned your account for a repeated pattern, not one thread - as I explained.
      - sdfkkikig 6y ago
        Racebaiting? I did not bring up race. Woke ideology also tries to exploit race, but that is just incidental, and irrelevant to the concept of not turning ones job into a platform for activism. I don't care about anybody's race, it's not my fault if others do. To be honest I tried to hold back, because I actually think the person wondering if HN is OK for Black people is racist. But I didn't accuse them of that. I tried to avoid turning it into a discussion about "woke ideology" - the point is should people be allowed to do their job without having to subscribe to a specific ideology and being forced to engage in activism. If I don't feel like convincing somebody, it is hostile? But I guess if I kept trying to convince somebody, it would be "ideological battles"? And personal feelings - I don't think you "personally care" about everything anybody else wrecks their brain about? As I said, sorry, I simply don't understand you and I evaluate things differently than you. As such, I don't think I can adhere to your rules in the way you want, as I don't know how. I also don't agree with your diagnosis of a repeat pattern. Your guessing of my motives, for which you tend to ban me, is completely off base. The only repeat pattern is of you (apparently) misinterpreting what I write.

cheesecracker 6y ago

Ridiculous. The HN crowd is mostly woke. To be honest I don't even feel like convincing you to be in tech or on HN. If you feel like that, maybe just let it be. And sorry, there definitely is no genocide going on. Have you even looked at population statistics lately? Edit: why don't you ponder what other people mean by "woke", and try t understand what they are talking about? Personally I don't care about your black history of "woke", I only care abut the present days culture wars.

cheesecracker 6y ago
Addendum: link for the population numbers of Blacks in the USA. Between 2010 and 2018 the percentage of the population that is Black has risen (as in most other years since early last century). No sign of ongoing genocide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_d...
dang 6y ago
Crossing into personal attack will get you banned here. Using HN for ideological battle is not ok either. Please don't post like this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: actually, it looks like you've been banned repeatedly for doing this on HN. That's not cool, so I've banned this account as well. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
- sdfkkikig 6y ago
  Yeah sorry I am not creating accounts to break the rules. I simply don't understand you. In my opinion what I wrote was neither a personal attack (I called his argument ridiculous, not him - and I was referring to his notion that it might not be OK for black people to use HN), nor an ideological battle. While the topic is an ideological battleground, which has a real effect on the tech industry, my stance in this particular discussion would be that people simply should be allowed to work without having to be involved in such culture wars (I also did not create that website unwoke.hr, I only posted it to HN). If he wants to be "woke" and do activism and so on, I have nothing against it, at least not in the context of this discussion. I just don't want to be affected by it. I don't want to talk him out of it or anything - so where exactly is your problem? I don't see the point of you banning my account for a discussion in a thread that has already been flagged. Obviously only people who want it would see the further discussion. I'm really not sure what you would consider an appropriate discussion of the topic? Obviously it is ideologically charged, but it IS a job board for the tech industry, and it is a subject that affects many who work in tech. Ironic that you banned me, because I had just been wondering that for all its flaws, at least HN is open to access for everybody. You can create an account in minutes, and there are no profile pics (so less danger of racism, for example). Except apparently not. (Also while it is quick to create accounts, I suppose you have automatic filters in place, so in effect it is not free for everyone. But still - it could have been a refuge from the totalitarian social networks).
  - dang 6y ago
    "Ridiculous. To be honest I don't even feel like convincing you. If you feel like that maybe just let it be. And sorry, there definitely is no. Have you even? Why don't you? Try to understand? Personally I don't care about your." That is dripping with internet snark and hostility and certainly crosses into personal attack. Also, the racebaiting aspect of what you posted is unwelcome here. I banned your account for a repeated pattern, not one thread - as I explained.
    - sdfkkikig 6y ago
      Racebaiting? I did not bring up race. Woke ideology also tries to exploit race, but that is just incidental, and irrelevant to the concept of not turning ones job into a platform for activism. I don't care about anybody's race, it's not my fault if others do. To be honest I tried to hold back, because I actually think the person wondering if HN is OK for Black people is racist. But I didn't accuse them of that. I tried to avoid turning it into a discussion about "woke ideology" - the point is should people be allowed to do their job without having to subscribe to a specific ideology and being forced to engage in activism. If I don't feel like convincing somebody, it is hostile? But I guess if I kept trying to convince somebody, it would be "ideological battles"? And personal feelings - I don't think you "personally care" about everything anybody else wrecks their brain about? As I said, sorry, I simply don't understand you and I evaluate things differently than you. As such, I don't think I can adhere to your rules in the way you want, as I don't know how. I also don't agree with your diagnosis of a repeat pattern. Your guessing of my motives, for which you tend to ban me, is completely off base. The only repeat pattern is of you (apparently) misinterpreting what I write.