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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand why his comments are deemed sexist. Isn't he saying that 13 year old girls aren't as interested in computers

by sakian 6y ago

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand why his comments are deemed sexist. Isn't he saying that 13 year old girls aren't as interested in computers as much as 13 year old boys? What am I missing?

dpoochieni 6y ago
Because they go against the narrative the wokes want to impose. Why doesn't anyone ask why 13yo girls are not interested in becoming loggers, or police or trash collectors? Why are most 13yo boys not interested in becoming ballerinas? Sure the wokies try to pretend there is no such thing as human biologically encoded biases: everyone is a supposed blank slate. That's why it seems a bit stupid for people who don't share their views, why try to fix human nature (as if it were possible) when you can just live with it?
- dang 6y ago
  This comment breaks the site guideline against calling names in arguments. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules. Other comments in this thread are breaking the guidelines as well, but this one stood out.
  - dpoochieni 6y ago
    Correction Because they go against the narrative the proponents (irony...) of cancel culture want to impose. Why doesn't anyone ask why 13yo girls are not interested in becoming loggers, or police or trash collectors? Why are most 13yo boys not interested in becoming ballerinas? Sure the proponents of cancel culture try to pretend there is no such thing as human biologically encoded biases: everyone is a supposed blank slate. That's why it seems a bit stupid for people who don't share their views, why try to fix human nature (as if it were possible) when you can just live with it?
bargl 6y ago
This was my take too. I disagree with the opinion piece linked by the op. My take was that he wanted more girls to be involved at a younger age in tech. If you look upstream at hiring, If I have 20 candidates and they all graduated from either a bootcamp or a cs degree, then my pool will probably reflect that ratio. If we want to fix the representation of people in any workforce that has a barrier to entry such as previous training. Like with Engineering and college. You have to get more representation in the engineering programs. If you want that you have to have more applications to the engineering programs. If you want that you have to de-stigmatize engineering at a young age. That was my take away from what he said, but maybe I'm projecting.
staycoolboy 6y ago
Because it isn't true. It is him inventing a cause of a problem by simply ignoring many, many womens' experiences with discrimination in STEM that starts at a young age, which is extensively documented. This is what privilege looks like: "I never experienced it so it doesn't exist."
- koheripbal 6y ago
  So he's sexist because you disagree with his argument?
  - ericzawo 6y ago
    It's not an argument. It's an assumption.
- sakian 6y ago
  What isn't true? Do you believe that girls are equally interested in computers compared to boys at 13 years old?
  - staycoolboy 6y ago
    Dude, you're missing the point. Women are actively chased out of tech. This has been going on for decades. Don't you remember a few years ago when half of the guys of 4chan doxxed and threatened to kill dozens of female gamers because those women dared to ask if games could treat women a little more fairly? I mean, its not like this is ancient history. Can't you take some responsibility and educate yourself rather than asking me to educate you? I'm sure you taught yourself how to program by researching online, why can't you do the same thing to understand how shitty girls and women are treated in tech domains? Unless you just don't care? I don't get it. smh.
    - textgel 6y ago
      No no they aren't; there is an enormous political, academic and corporate movement to get and keep them and they certainly haven't dealt with anywhere near the general BS any nerd deals with growing up or being in tech; 90% of the time it's just complaints identical to yours; - Complete fabrications to appear a victim. - Complaints about things that everyone else deals with but due to equality feeling like oppression, suddenly the treatment equal to others feels oppressive. - Complaints about consequence for doing shitty things. Re your point about 4chan; provide the story or it's just another fabrication

by sakian 6y ago

dpoochieni 6y ago

Because they go against the narrative the wokes want to impose. Why doesn't anyone ask why 13yo girls are not interested in becoming loggers, or police or trash collectors? Why are most 13yo boys not interested in becoming ballerinas? Sure the wokies try to pretend there is no such thing as human biologically encoded biases: everyone is a supposed blank slate. That's why it seems a bit stupid for people who don't share their views, why try to fix human nature (as if it were possible) when you can just live with it?

dang 6y ago
This comment breaks the site guideline against calling names in arguments. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules. Other comments in this thread are breaking the guidelines as well, but this one stood out.
- dpoochieni 6y ago
  Correction Because they go against the narrative the proponents (irony...) of cancel culture want to impose. Why doesn't anyone ask why 13yo girls are not interested in becoming loggers, or police or trash collectors? Why are most 13yo boys not interested in becoming ballerinas? Sure the proponents of cancel culture try to pretend there is no such thing as human biologically encoded biases: everyone is a supposed blank slate. That's why it seems a bit stupid for people who don't share their views, why try to fix human nature (as if it were possible) when you can just live with it?

bargl 6y ago

This was my take too. I disagree with the opinion piece linked by the op. My take was that he wanted more girls to be involved at a younger age in tech. If you look upstream at hiring, If I have 20 candidates and they all graduated from either a bootcamp or a cs degree, then my pool will probably reflect that ratio. If we want to fix the representation of people in any workforce that has a barrier to entry such as previous training. Like with Engineering and college. You have to get more representation in the engineering programs. If you want that you have to have more applications to the engineering programs. If you want that you have to de-stigmatize engineering at a young age. That was my take away from what he said, but maybe I'm projecting.

staycoolboy 6y ago

Because it isn't true. It is him inventing a cause of a problem by simply ignoring many, many womens' experiences with discrimination in STEM that starts at a young age, which is extensively documented. This is what privilege looks like: "I never experienced it so it doesn't exist."

koheripbal 6y ago
So he's sexist because you disagree with his argument?
- ericzawo 6y ago
  It's not an argument. It's an assumption.
sakian 6y ago
What isn't true? Do you believe that girls are equally interested in computers compared to boys at 13 years old?
- staycoolboy 6y ago
  Dude, you're missing the point. Women are actively chased out of tech. This has been going on for decades. Don't you remember a few years ago when half of the guys of 4chan doxxed and threatened to kill dozens of female gamers because those women dared to ask if games could treat women a little more fairly? I mean, its not like this is ancient history. Can't you take some responsibility and educate yourself rather than asking me to educate you? I'm sure you taught yourself how to program by researching online, why can't you do the same thing to understand how shitty girls and women are treated in tech domains? Unless you just don't care? I don't get it. smh.
  - textgel 6y ago
    No no they aren't; there is an enormous political, academic and corporate movement to get and keep them and they certainly haven't dealt with anywhere near the general BS any nerd deals with growing up or being in tech; 90% of the time it's just complaints identical to yours; - Complete fabrications to appear a victim. - Complaints about things that everyone else deals with but due to equality feeling like oppression, suddenly the treatment equal to others feels oppressive. - Complaints about consequence for doing shitty things. Re your point about 4chan; provide the story or it's just another fabrication