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I think Amazon is trying to become the backbone for the 'alternative' set of Android core apps that will inevitably be developed. These apps will appeal to any

I think Amazon is trying to become the backbone for the 'alternative' set of Android core apps that will inevitably be developed. These apps will appeal to any carrier/OEM that wants to stop licensing from Google, or from companies like Amazon and Facebook who may launch their own devices with splintered versions of Android. My guess is that Amazon will own content delivery for these devices (books, movies, TV, music) and that Microsoft will round out the rest, with a Bing Maps app and an email app that supports Gmail etc but syncs nicely with Hotmail (which has been totally overhauled since you last tried it). This is entirely a guess on my part, mind you.

jmatt 15y ago
I think it's bold of Amazon to launch essentially a minimum viable product and beat Apple to the punch. Now they have customers and are getting meaningful feedback to make future improvements. You rarely see this outside of Apple and startups. I'm glad to see Apple running into some real competition.
- matthewslotkin 15y ago
  since when does Apple launch minimum viable products? that is the opposite of what Apple does.
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  - jmatt 15y ago
    Go look at all the complaining from when the iPhone original was announced and came out. It didn't have a number of features that were considered at the time required: The original release of the operating system included Visual Voicemail, multi-touch gestures, HTML email, Safari web browser, threaded text messaging, and YouTube. However, many features like MMS, third-party apps, and copy and paste were not supported at release. These missing features led to hackers "jailbreaking" their phones which added these missing features. Official software updates slowly added these features. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(original)#Software_History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(original)#Software_Hist... Looking back now they clearly did the right thing. In articles at the time when journalists did a feature comparisons it lost. But when people and journalists actually used it - it was awesome. I argue a product can be both a MVC and have simple, powerful, useful, polished features. Just look at the ipod and iphone (yeah similar reviews happened for ipod. See the infamous Slashdot quote).
    - teej 15y ago
      There's a huge difference between an MVP and cutting features to reach perfection.
      - mey 15y ago
        Another example is the 1st generation iPod. Did just enough to solidify market share, then started evolving. You don't see people ooh and ahhing over a wheel anymore now that we are firmly onto touch pads. Edit: Another example is iTunes (why couldn't you buy things directly on your device) or their office productivity suite.
      - gallamine 15y ago
        Can you elaborate on that?
    - matthewslotkin 15y ago
      I mean I'd hardly consider the original iPhone a minimum viable product. Smart phones had been around for years, and what the iPhone did was redefine the smart phone. I guess in some weird sense you could say that it was a minimum viable product for the future of other products that were like it, but you could say that for any product. In general, I would definitely not typify Apple as a company that gets to the fight first, but rather one that changes the fight when it gets there. That was true of the iPhone in the smart phone market, true of the iPod in the mp3 market, true of the iPad in the tablet market, and will likely be true of whatever special sauce Apple is planning for mobileme in the virtual locker market. My point is that Apple is not a company that throws out a product into consumer space with the knowledge that it is incomplete and seeking tons of consumer feedback. They release extremely polished products to a market, often with what I would argue is an unparalleled mastery of minimalism in their features (in terms of leaving a lot out of their products and only keeping in what they deem absolutely necessary to most users), which could be confused for minimum viability if you didn't know better. I would suggest Google as a better example of a big company that often releases products with the intention of quickly updating them once they start getting feedback. Facebook might be another less convincing example.
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  - yesbabyyes 15y ago
    Not really, they just have a higher bar for their minimal viability.
    - heyitsnick 15y ago
      Isn't the point of 'minimal viability' a low bar?
- dotBen 15y ago
  You can hardly say that Amazon has 'beaten Apple to the punch". Amazon's cloud product is aimed at Android Apple's cloud product will almost certainly ignore Android users because they'll use it to bolster the iPhone/iOS stack (+ enticement to switch to). They're aimed at two different markets.
  - jakemcgraw 15y ago
    Why can't Amazon bundle MP3 playback with their iOS Kindle app?
    - corin_ 15y ago
      Possibly because Apple would then demand the option for iOS users to buy MP3s from Amazon through the app, and take 30% of those sales?
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matthewslotkin 15y ago
Amazon is not looking to dominate the Android app marketplace (I doubt that either google or the carriers/phone manufacturers would allow that to happen) but is positioning itself as a viable alternative to iTunes. The free 20gb offer with the purchase of an album is clearly intended to get users in the habit of buying media content from Amazon. This is especially interesting because of what it may mean for the kindle. Apple was able to launch its impressive media empire because of the synergy of iTunes and the iPod (and eventually iPhone and iPad). With a viable media store and content locker, we may see music and video on kindles or new kindle-related devices soon. Cheap kindles w/ video playback + a legitimate media store and locker service may be just the recipe to challenge not only the iPad but the Apple eco-system. Because I am a fanboy and just can't help myself, my money is on Apple =)
roc 15y ago
I think Amazon is going to be more tight with their platform than even Microsoft. (e.g. Carriers would not even be in the OS update path) While many of the pieces will be available to any android device, I don't think carriers/OEMs are likely to partner too tightly with a company that aims to release its own first-party hardware.

jmatt 15y ago

I think it's bold of Amazon to launch essentially a minimum viable product and beat Apple to the punch. Now they have customers and are getting meaningful feedback to make future improvements. You rarely see this outside of Apple and startups. I'm glad to see Apple running into some real competition.

matthewslotkin 15y ago
since when does Apple launch minimum viable products? that is the opposite of what Apple does.
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- jmatt 15y ago
  Go look at all the complaining from when the iPhone original was announced and came out. It didn't have a number of features that were considered at the time required: The original release of the operating system included Visual Voicemail, multi-touch gestures, HTML email, Safari web browser, threaded text messaging, and YouTube. However, many features like MMS, third-party apps, and copy and paste were not supported at release. These missing features led to hackers "jailbreaking" their phones which added these missing features. Official software updates slowly added these features. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(original)#Software_History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_(original)#Software_Hist... Looking back now they clearly did the right thing. In articles at the time when journalists did a feature comparisons it lost. But when people and journalists actually used it - it was awesome. I argue a product can be both a MVC and have simple, powerful, useful, polished features. Just look at the ipod and iphone (yeah similar reviews happened for ipod. See the infamous Slashdot quote).
  - teej 15y ago
    There's a huge difference between an MVP and cutting features to reach perfection.
    - mey 15y ago
      Another example is the 1st generation iPod. Did just enough to solidify market share, then started evolving. You don't see people ooh and ahhing over a wheel anymore now that we are firmly onto touch pads. Edit: Another example is iTunes (why couldn't you buy things directly on your device) or their office productivity suite.
    - gallamine 15y ago
      Can you elaborate on that?
  - matthewslotkin 15y ago
    I mean I'd hardly consider the original iPhone a minimum viable product. Smart phones had been around for years, and what the iPhone did was redefine the smart phone. I guess in some weird sense you could say that it was a minimum viable product for the future of other products that were like it, but you could say that for any product. In general, I would definitely not typify Apple as a company that gets to the fight first, but rather one that changes the fight when it gets there. That was true of the iPhone in the smart phone market, true of the iPod in the mp3 market, true of the iPad in the tablet market, and will likely be true of whatever special sauce Apple is planning for mobileme in the virtual locker market. My point is that Apple is not a company that throws out a product into consumer space with the knowledge that it is incomplete and seeking tons of consumer feedback. They release extremely polished products to a market, often with what I would argue is an unparalleled mastery of minimalism in their features (in terms of leaving a lot out of their products and only keeping in what they deem absolutely necessary to most users), which could be confused for minimum viability if you didn't know better. I would suggest Google as a better example of a big company that often releases products with the intention of quickly updating them once they start getting feedback. Facebook might be another less convincing example.
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- yesbabyyes 15y ago
  Not really, they just have a higher bar for their minimal viability.
  - heyitsnick 15y ago
    Isn't the point of 'minimal viability' a low bar?
dotBen 15y ago
You can hardly say that Amazon has 'beaten Apple to the punch". Amazon's cloud product is aimed at Android Apple's cloud product will almost certainly ignore Android users because they'll use it to bolster the iPhone/iOS stack (+ enticement to switch to). They're aimed at two different markets.
- jakemcgraw 15y ago
  Why can't Amazon bundle MP3 playback with their iOS Kindle app?
  - corin_ 15y ago
    Possibly because Apple would then demand the option for iOS users to buy MP3s from Amazon through the app, and take 30% of those sales?

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matthewslotkin 15y ago

Amazon is not looking to dominate the Android app marketplace (I doubt that either google or the carriers/phone manufacturers would allow that to happen) but is positioning itself as a viable alternative to iTunes. The free 20gb offer with the purchase of an album is clearly intended to get users in the habit of buying media content from Amazon. This is especially interesting because of what it may mean for the kindle. Apple was able to launch its impressive media empire because of the synergy of iTunes and the iPod (and eventually iPhone and iPad). With a viable media store and content locker, we may see music and video on kindles or new kindle-related devices soon. Cheap kindles w/ video playback + a legitimate media store and locker service may be just the recipe to challenge not only the iPad but the Apple eco-system. Because I am a fanboy and just can't help myself, my money is on Apple =)

roc 15y ago

I think Amazon is going to be more tight with their platform than even Microsoft. (e.g. Carriers would not even be in the OS update path) While many of the pieces will be available to any android device, I don't think carriers/OEMs are likely to partner too tightly with a company that aims to release its own first-party hardware.