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> It seems many students have been denied their college admissions due to stuff they tweeted as a teenager. How many of them have still been denied after showi
by steffandroid 6y ago
> It seems many students have been denied their college admissions due to stuff they tweeted as a teenager.
How many of them have still been denied after showing genuine remorse for their views? Nobody is owed a college admission.
> all the people attacking JK Rowling do not want to say that any man who self ids as a woman should have access to women's private spaces
Nobody's saying that men who falsely claim to be women should have access to women's spaces.
- dvtrn 6y agoNobody is owed a college admission. Nobody is universally "owed" anything but we do a lot of good and prudent things anyway because it's entirely within our capacity to execute good and prudent acts and we're sometimes better off for it. And yes we sometimes do bad and despicable things because sometimes impulse overrides reason, but that too is in our capacity to put a handle on and reign in, so we do, or at least we ought to. So maybe there's a better way to articulate this dichotomy than the lazy argument of "You're not owed $thing"-which doesn't solve anything for anyone except the speaker's own ego.
- lliamander 6y ago> Nobody's saying that men who falsely claim to be women should have access to women's spaces. What are they saying?
- Pulcinella 6y agoThat trans women are women.
- lliamander 6y agoIn what sense? That is, in terms of their gender, or their sex, or both?
- joshuamorton 6y ago"Women" is not a sex. You don't see people saying "trans women are biologically female" for a reason.
- newen 6y agoThings are getting just a little bit ridiculous in America when you have people saying "women" is not a sex.
- joshuamorton 6y agoNot at all. It's a gender. Can you elaborate on what makes that statement so ridiculous on it's face?
- cfmcdonald 6y agoIf you check a dictionary, the top definition for "woman" is typically something like "an adult female person" or "an adult female human." So the claim that woman/man is a totally different thing from male/female is pretty novel.
- joshuamorton 6y agoIndeed, I bring this up elsewhere, but there's been a lot of overlap of the medical and the social throughout history. That's changed recently. I don't see how that makes things "ridiculous" to quote GP.
- lliamander 6y agoHow widespread are those changes though? The Wikipedia article on Sex Differences in Humans uses the terms man/woman and male/female interchangeably[1]. What little I've seen of the scientific literature follows this convention as well. It's my experience that, across a broad swath of American society, that many people follow the old convention as well. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans
- anonms-coward 6y agoYup, that's the only thing any company or person can say without causing a Twitter storm against them. By saying this they can simply avoid clarifying what they mean by this. I think all these public personalities will have a much harder time if they were asked a clearer question: Should any man who self ids as a woman have access to women's private spaces. I don't see a large company ever answering that in yes/no.
- Animats 6y agoMaybe that's just a fad that will blow over. Nobody took that idea seriously until a few years ago. On Google Trends, peak "transgender" was in 2018. Transgenders are around 0.6% of the US population. Niche issue.