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Robert Evans and Jason Wilson have a pretty good overview here: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-movement-is-not-what-you-think/ https://

Robert Evans and Jason Wilson have a pretty good overview here: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-movement-is-not-what-you-think/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-move...

devmunchies 6y ago
a journalist that gets it. > Open source materials suggest that, for now, the apocalyptic, anti-government politics of the “Boogaloo Bois” are not monolithically racist/neo-Nazi. As we have observed, some members rail against police shootings of African Americans, and praise black nationalist self defense groups Lots of these people are folkish. They aren't suppremacists. They want other cultures to be strong and folkish too because it allows them the same privilege. Its folkish nationalism.
- TechBro8615 6y ago
  People get confused when they can’t fit a movement (which, incidentally, this really isn’t) into a box on the left or right.
  - m0zg 6y ago
    But he tries his best to tie it to the "right" anyway, whatever that means nowadays. Conservatives shooting police? Give me a break.
    - ForHackernews 6y ago
      Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal building. It sounds like you're engaging in a "no true scotsman" argument if you're claiming that nobody associated with the political right uses violence against the state.
      - m0zg 6y ago
        It's quite telling that you have to go back to Timothy McVeigh for an example of this. That was quarter of a century ago, and it was just one dude, and his connection to the right was tenuous at best.
        ForHackernews 6y ago
        In 2016, a bunch of right wing goons with guns occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. They didn't kill anyone, but it was an armed standoff with federal agents. Is that recent enough for you?
- ForHackernews 6y ago
  The author of this Atlantic piece (dismissed above as "so far detached from reality") makes the exact same observation: > The boogaloo groups disagree when it comes to racism. Some members are white supremacists. Others compare the movement to the left’s campaign against police brutality. Many boogaloo memes are focused on police overreach, equating the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives and FBI sieges at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, in the ’90s with the recent high-profile police killings of Black Americans.
- ForHackernews 6y ago
  Can you explain what you mean by "folkish"? I googled and got very little except this wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement but it seems to be only based on a literal translation from German.
  - devmunchies 6y ago
    folkish means racially or culturally conscious and having an affinity for your "own people". An example would would be Israel, where jews can be with their "own". There's pros and cons. Pros would be that its more of a long-term strategy to preserve cultural diversity, since their large pockets of peoples (ie. japan is still overwhelmingly Japanese). It also allows the children in that folkish community to be raise with their own culture. these folkish pockets also create more interesting tourism, since its distinguished from a globalized generic culture. A con would be if you become so fixated on it that you see your folk as superior that you don't share your culture with others, don't let in outsiders, and you don't visit and enjoy other cultures. This would means instead of having a healthy appreciation for diverse culture (your's included), you just hate others. A lack of exposure to other culture means your own won't improve.
    - pvg 6y ago
      I don't think it's accurate to describe the state of Israel with the terminology of white nationalism.
      - devmunchies 6y ago
        If the shoe fits.
        pvg 6y ago
        I'm not sure I follow.
    - dang 6y ago
      Not cool, and you've posted like this before. Please keep this kind of thing off HN.
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skrebbel 6y ago
wow, that's an amazing level of depth! really cool article
m0zg 6y ago
"If there was ever a time for bois to _stand in solidarity_ ..." Emphasis is mine. That phrase is used almost exclusively by far leftists, and comes from Marxism/Leninism (haven never actually read any of it, the vast majority of leftists do not know where the phrase comes from). It could be that this exact phrasing is used on purpose, actually, as a form of trolling IRL to appeal to the far left types and try to provoke violence against the government (which will eventually blow back pretty hard - patience is wearing thin already, even in ultra-liberal places like Portland or Seattle). I still can't really imagine, however, that the overwhelmingly pro-police conservatives could advocate shooting cops. This seems like far left, "tear down the system" shit to me. "The world is about to change its foundation. We are nothing, let us be all." The Russian translation, BTW, literally translates as "We will destroy the world of violence to its foundation, and then, we will build our new world, those who were nothing will be all".

devmunchies 6y ago

a journalist that gets it. > Open source materials suggest that, for now, the apocalyptic, anti-government politics of the “Boogaloo Bois” are not monolithically racist/neo-Nazi. As we have observed, some members rail against police shootings of African Americans, and praise black nationalist self defense groups Lots of these people are folkish. They aren't suppremacists. They want other cultures to be strong and folkish too because it allows them the same privilege. Its folkish nationalism.

TechBro8615 6y ago
People get confused when they can’t fit a movement (which, incidentally, this really isn’t) into a box on the left or right.
- m0zg 6y ago
  But he tries his best to tie it to the "right" anyway, whatever that means nowadays. Conservatives shooting police? Give me a break.
  - ForHackernews 6y ago
    Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal building. It sounds like you're engaging in a "no true scotsman" argument if you're claiming that nobody associated with the political right uses violence against the state.
    - m0zg 6y ago
      It's quite telling that you have to go back to Timothy McVeigh for an example of this. That was quarter of a century ago, and it was just one dude, and his connection to the right was tenuous at best.
      - ForHackernews 6y ago
        In 2016, a bunch of right wing goons with guns occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. They didn't kill anyone, but it was an armed standoff with federal agents. Is that recent enough for you?
ForHackernews 6y ago
The author of this Atlantic piece (dismissed above as "so far detached from reality") makes the exact same observation: > The boogaloo groups disagree when it comes to racism. Some members are white supremacists. Others compare the movement to the left’s campaign against police brutality. Many boogaloo memes are focused on police overreach, equating the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives and FBI sieges at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, in the ’90s with the recent high-profile police killings of Black Americans.
ForHackernews 6y ago
Can you explain what you mean by "folkish"? I googled and got very little except this wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement but it seems to be only based on a literal translation from German.
- devmunchies 6y ago
  folkish means racially or culturally conscious and having an affinity for your "own people". An example would would be Israel, where jews can be with their "own". There's pros and cons. Pros would be that its more of a long-term strategy to preserve cultural diversity, since their large pockets of peoples (ie. japan is still overwhelmingly Japanese). It also allows the children in that folkish community to be raise with their own culture. these folkish pockets also create more interesting tourism, since its distinguished from a globalized generic culture. A con would be if you become so fixated on it that you see your folk as superior that you don't share your culture with others, don't let in outsiders, and you don't visit and enjoy other cultures. This would means instead of having a healthy appreciation for diverse culture (your's included), you just hate others. A lack of exposure to other culture means your own won't improve.
  - pvg 6y ago
    I don't think it's accurate to describe the state of Israel with the terminology of white nationalism.
    - devmunchies 6y ago
      If the shoe fits.
      - pvg 6y ago
        I'm not sure I follow.
  - dang 6y ago
    Not cool, and you've posted like this before. Please keep this kind of thing off HN.
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skrebbel 6y ago

wow, that's an amazing level of depth! really cool article

m0zg 6y ago

"If there was ever a time for bois to _stand in solidarity_ ..." Emphasis is mine. That phrase is used almost exclusively by far leftists, and comes from Marxism/Leninism (haven never actually read any of it, the vast majority of leftists do not know where the phrase comes from). It could be that this exact phrasing is used on purpose, actually, as a form of trolling IRL to appeal to the far left types and try to provoke violence against the government (which will eventually blow back pretty hard - patience is wearing thin already, even in ultra-liberal places like Portland or Seattle). I still can't really imagine, however, that the overwhelmingly pro-police conservatives could advocate shooting cops. This seems like far left, "tear down the system" shit to me. "The world is about to change its foundation. We are nothing, let us be all." The Russian translation, BTW, literally translates as "We will destroy the world of violence to its foundation, and then, we will build our new world, those who were nothing will be all".