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Readers who are not from Indian subcontinent may find this difficult to understand or beleive, let me throw some context. Indian caste system is probably the l

Readers who are not from Indian subcontinent may find this difficult to understand or beleive, let me throw some context. Indian caste system is probably the longest running abuse,racism, human rights violation in the human history. Even,now in some parts of the country people from lowest caste are made to carry human waste on their head[0]. After independence,thanks to rights offered by constitution & reservation by governments to repent the sins; many from lower caste were able to get educated. Inequality is often perpertraited by people at the top of the food chain and in the case of caste system its been Brahmins and those acknowledged by them. Brahmin patriarchy is the deep state in India, do a quick search about top CEOs in India, Majority of Company auditors are Brahmins so the company/tax laws are often dictated by them (I just stated one example of brahmin patriarchy w.r.t context of the article). Ask the lower caste team members of any large IT company in India e.g. TCS, Infosys led by a Brahmin manager(who is not an atheist); you'll hear about discrimination they face. At the same time, Ex.Brahmins (Brahmins who have denounced their affiliation to caste system) have been one of the top voices in support of human rights & equality this includes freedom fighters, newspaper publishers, several leading luminaries, economists, Nobel laureates and top scientists who have left India for good. [0]https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/25/india-caste-forced-clean-human-waste https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/25/india-caste-forced-clean...

luckylion 6y ago
> Ask the lower caste team members of any large IT company in India e.g. TCS, Infosys led by a Brahmin manager(who is not an atheist); you'll hear about discrimination they face. Is the religious component that large? I'd assume that it's simple ingroup/outgroup, like most discrimination. You don't need to believe that your group is special by divine ruling, you just need to believe that you'll get a better personal outcome if you strengthen people that are like you, as they'll hopefully do the same for you.
- castevictim 6y ago
  Good question, this needs dwelling deep into the ideology of caste system. 1. Like many other religion, basis of caste system in Hinduism is that lower caste people came from supposedly less important organ & upper caste people came from more important organs. 2. People from upper caste perform cushy jobs, have access to education and all amenities. People from lower caste literally have to carry shit of upper caste people on their head. Obviously caste is hereditory! Now any tell that to anyone who says 'Hinduism is not a religion', they would say 'Caste system was not hereditory, but way of job management'; but they will have no answer or tell a lame excuse when you ask them "Why caste attrocity exists till date, would you help uprooting caste system and make it illegal? or better will you let your son/daughter marry a lower caste person?" And there are people who staunchly believe in the caste system as the core of their belief system, so much so that honor killings happen even in western countries by people of Indian/Subcontinent origin; Yes honor killings happen in India almost every other day. So yeah, casteism cannot be taken apart from religion/ideology.
eklavya 6y ago
> Brahmin patriarchy is the deep state in India, do a quick search about top CEOs in India, Majority of Company auditors are Brahmins so the company/tax laws are often dictated by them So which company/tax laws are anti Dalit? The only law about casteism is ridiculously anti Non-Dalit. They can jail anyone with just a complaint, no proofs are required. You have to fight in the court to get out of jail, not go in the jail.
- castevictim 6y ago
  >You have to fight in the court to get out of jail, not go in the jail. Do you mean that jail where two-third of prisoners are Dalits, tribals and from Other Backward Classes (OBCs), 19% are Muslims?[0] Or are you talking about the prison/judicial system which is statistically proven to be Brahminical[1]. [0]https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/majority-prisoners-in-indian-jails-are-dalits-muslims-790478.html https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/majo... [1]https://www.huffingtonpost.in/suraj-yengde/theres-a-caste-bias-in-our-prison-system-and-we-need-to-talk-ab_a_21662007/ https://www.huffingtonpost.in/suraj-yengde/theres-a-caste-bi...
  - eklavya 6y ago
    No idea, I know for a fact though that no laws for upper castes to jail anyone in a lower caste without fighting in courts first.
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throwaway781341 6y ago
You are painting only one sided picture and that's obvious from username you have chosen. India has 1bn+ people, you can't generalize this. There are bunch of Brahmin people at higher level who actively work to uplift others and they do this without being atheist. There are 12 types of beliefs defined in Indian spirituality, it's not binary as in atheist vs believer. Also, food for thought - are all Brahmins in India are still privileged to earn status of CEOs and managers? The amount of caste based reservation in education to jobs - it's hard for Brahmins to get a seat in college or take a job nowadays, still if these people are on top - do you think it's only some privilege? You are wrong here. Please provide both the sides on platforms like HN or some brahmins in india will have to have their own version of BLM - "Brahmin Lives Matter"
- castevictim 6y ago
  >BLM - "Brahmin Lives Matter" How many Brahmins or upper caste people were killed by a dalit family for marrying their loved one? Can you say for sure that no dalit or someone from other oppressed community was killed 'today' for the same reason? I'm not surprisd that you mock BLM, what caste racists think of the 'Black lives matter' is quite evident from the social media posts of casteists in India and abroad. India has consecutively been rated the most racist country in the world for a reason. >reservation Sins. Let's remove caste system, make castes illegal, burn your caste certificate, give time period for removing reservation; what would be the appropriate time line for remedy thousand years of injustice? Would you even vote for someone who says the above? Even if caste system is made illegal today, the vast & powerful brahminical network advantage would benefit upper caste people for several generations. Where as lower caste people would suffer for next 100 years if reservation is removed.
- sumedh 6y ago
  > India has 1bn+ people, you can't generalize this. Have you seen the matrimonial ads in India? Why am I getting a feeling that you are a Brahmin and you are not happy that people from lower castes have their own quotas in govt jobs/education.
  - Bang2Bay 6y ago

luckylion 6y ago

> Ask the lower caste team members of any large IT company in India e.g. TCS, Infosys led by a Brahmin manager(who is not an atheist); you'll hear about discrimination they face. Is the religious component that large? I'd assume that it's simple ingroup/outgroup, like most discrimination. You don't need to believe that your group is special by divine ruling, you just need to believe that you'll get a better personal outcome if you strengthen people that are like you, as they'll hopefully do the same for you.

castevictim 6y ago
Good question, this needs dwelling deep into the ideology of caste system. 1. Like many other religion, basis of caste system in Hinduism is that lower caste people came from supposedly less important organ & upper caste people came from more important organs. 2. People from upper caste perform cushy jobs, have access to education and all amenities. People from lower caste literally have to carry shit of upper caste people on their head. Obviously caste is hereditory! Now any tell that to anyone who says 'Hinduism is not a religion', they would say 'Caste system was not hereditory, but way of job management'; but they will have no answer or tell a lame excuse when you ask them "Why caste attrocity exists till date, would you help uprooting caste system and make it illegal? or better will you let your son/daughter marry a lower caste person?" And there are people who staunchly believe in the caste system as the core of their belief system, so much so that honor killings happen even in western countries by people of Indian/Subcontinent origin; Yes honor killings happen in India almost every other day. So yeah, casteism cannot be taken apart from religion/ideology.

eklavya 6y ago

> Brahmin patriarchy is the deep state in India, do a quick search about top CEOs in India, Majority of Company auditors are Brahmins so the company/tax laws are often dictated by them So which company/tax laws are anti Dalit? The only law about casteism is ridiculously anti Non-Dalit. They can jail anyone with just a complaint, no proofs are required. You have to fight in the court to get out of jail, not go in the jail.

castevictim 6y ago
>You have to fight in the court to get out of jail, not go in the jail. Do you mean that jail where two-third of prisoners are Dalits, tribals and from Other Backward Classes (OBCs), 19% are Muslims?[0] Or are you talking about the prison/judicial system which is statistically proven to be Brahminical[1]. [0]https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/majority-prisoners-in-indian-jails-are-dalits-muslims-790478.html https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/majo... [1]https://www.huffingtonpost.in/suraj-yengde/theres-a-caste-bias-in-our-prison-system-and-we-need-to-talk-ab_a_21662007/ https://www.huffingtonpost.in/suraj-yengde/theres-a-caste-bi...
- eklavya 6y ago
  No idea, I know for a fact though that no laws for upper castes to jail anyone in a lower caste without fighting in courts first.
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throwaway781341 6y ago

You are painting only one sided picture and that's obvious from username you have chosen. India has 1bn+ people, you can't generalize this. There are bunch of Brahmin people at higher level who actively work to uplift others and they do this without being atheist. There are 12 types of beliefs defined in Indian spirituality, it's not binary as in atheist vs believer. Also, food for thought - are all Brahmins in India are still privileged to earn status of CEOs and managers? The amount of caste based reservation in education to jobs - it's hard for Brahmins to get a seat in college or take a job nowadays, still if these people are on top - do you think it's only some privilege? You are wrong here. Please provide both the sides on platforms like HN or some brahmins in india will have to have their own version of BLM - "Brahmin Lives Matter"

castevictim 6y ago
>BLM - "Brahmin Lives Matter" How many Brahmins or upper caste people were killed by a dalit family for marrying their loved one? Can you say for sure that no dalit or someone from other oppressed community was killed 'today' for the same reason? I'm not surprisd that you mock BLM, what caste racists think of the 'Black lives matter' is quite evident from the social media posts of casteists in India and abroad. India has consecutively been rated the most racist country in the world for a reason. >reservation Sins. Let's remove caste system, make castes illegal, burn your caste certificate, give time period for removing reservation; what would be the appropriate time line for remedy thousand years of injustice? Would you even vote for someone who says the above? Even if caste system is made illegal today, the vast & powerful brahminical network advantage would benefit upper caste people for several generations. Where as lower caste people would suffer for next 100 years if reservation is removed.
sumedh 6y ago
> India has 1bn+ people, you can't generalize this. Have you seen the matrimonial ads in India? Why am I getting a feeling that you are a Brahmin and you are not happy that people from lower castes have their own quotas in govt jobs/education.
- Bang2Bay 6y ago