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TipTheWeb — Building a Better Web, Together

15 points by eferraiuolo 16y ago

jacques_chester 16y ago
Compared to others in this space. Pros: * Does not require publisher to embed code * Allows pre-tipping Cons: * Requires active decision by user to tip (the fatal flaw of all such schemes) It's unclear to me if the 'tipstream' has to be public or not. That was a big part of the Kachingle model.
- barkmadley 16y ago
  You could always create an auto-tipping plugin for browsers, removing the only downside listed.
- eferraiuolo 16y ago
  We’ve wanted to the decision to tip to be an active one, but low-barrier. Basically as close to bookmarking a link a possible, or like tweeting a link to share it. Automatic tipping would be difficult to balance things correctly. For example a funny YouTube video I may want to tip 25¢, but an open source project on GitHub I might want to tip $5. All user accounts have Tip Streams that are a feed of the Tips that user has funded (you can make tips before you put money into your account). But, we have an option to make your account anonymous, removing all personal-identifiable information from your Tip Stream page.
  - jacques_chester 16y ago
    > We’ve wanted to the decision to tip to be an active one, but low-barrier. I'm generally of the opinion, though it is only a hunch, that any scheme requiring a user to actively tip for each site they like is doomed to fail. I also think that the other problem with tip jar and/or Xanadu-style micropayment schemes is that people are uneasy about building up a surprising total. This is the advantage of Readability/Kachingle-style subscription services.
    - eferraiuolo 16y ago
      People are free to add money to their TipTheWeb account to use to fund their Tips at any time. Making a Tip isn't a financial transaction; this allows Tips to be as small as 5¢! And Tips can be made even if there isn't enough money to back it at the time it's made, and can be funded whenever the person wants to. We’ve made everything about the service extremely flexible and low-key, and shouldn't cause any tense feelings. For example you can cancel Tips (up until they are paid out) if you made a mistake.
      - jacques_chester 16y ago
        > Making a Tip isn't a financial transaction; this allows Tips to be as small as 5¢! And Tips can be made even if there isn't enough money to back it at the time it's made, and can be funded whenever the person wants to. Tipjoy basically did this, but they still had the fundamental problem that the user has to remember to click in order for the tip to take place. I just don't think people are wired that way. I admire the work you've done (I am, in part, working on a for-profit "competitor"), but I just don't think it's the right model. In terms of human factors, Readability is closest to perfect IMO.
        eferraiuolo 16y ago
        With Readability you still have to "remember to click" the read now/later button, and you don't get to choose how much you want to support that article; you actually have to support it _before_ you even read it.
        jacques_chester 16y ago
        I stand corrected. Looks like I was projecting my own thinking on to their system. The closest to what I'm doing was Contenture, since shut down. If they don't have one already, I expect an opt-out feature before too long. It's the first objection raised to my system whenever I talk to people about it.
        16y ago
  - Jebdm 16y ago
    Have you considered adding a way for content makers to require a small payment (via a Facebook Connect-esque popup)? It seems like you're halfway to micropayments.
    - eferraiuolo 16y ago
      TipTheWeb will remain focused on being a service for voluntary support of web content and specifically _not_ a payment system. http://tiptheweb.org/answers/#tipping http://tiptheweb.org/answers/#tipping
      - Jebdm 16y ago
        Ah, okay; I skimmed and missed the non-profit part.

15 points by eferraiuolo 16y ago

Compared to others in this space. Pros: * Does not require publisher to embed code * Allows pre-tipping Cons: * Requires active decision by user to tip (the fatal flaw of all such schemes) It's unclear to me if the 'tipstream' has to be public or not. That was a big part of the Kachingle model.

barkmadley 16y ago
You could always create an auto-tipping plugin for browsers, removing the only downside listed.
eferraiuolo 16y ago
We’ve wanted to the decision to tip to be an active one, but low-barrier. Basically as close to bookmarking a link a possible, or like tweeting a link to share it. Automatic tipping would be difficult to balance things correctly. For example a funny YouTube video I may want to tip 25¢, but an open source project on GitHub I might want to tip $5. All user accounts have Tip Streams that are a feed of the Tips that user has funded (you can make tips before you put money into your account). But, we have an option to make your account anonymous, removing all personal-identifiable information from your Tip Stream page.
- jacques_chester 16y ago
  > We’ve wanted to the decision to tip to be an active one, but low-barrier. I'm generally of the opinion, though it is only a hunch, that any scheme requiring a user to actively tip for each site they like is doomed to fail. I also think that the other problem with tip jar and/or Xanadu-style micropayment schemes is that people are uneasy about building up a surprising total. This is the advantage of Readability/Kachingle-style subscription services.
  - eferraiuolo 16y ago
    People are free to add money to their TipTheWeb account to use to fund their Tips at any time. Making a Tip isn't a financial transaction; this allows Tips to be as small as 5¢! And Tips can be made even if there isn't enough money to back it at the time it's made, and can be funded whenever the person wants to. We’ve made everything about the service extremely flexible and low-key, and shouldn't cause any tense feelings. For example you can cancel Tips (up until they are paid out) if you made a mistake.
    - jacques_chester 16y ago
      > Making a Tip isn't a financial transaction; this allows Tips to be as small as 5¢! And Tips can be made even if there isn't enough money to back it at the time it's made, and can be funded whenever the person wants to. Tipjoy basically did this, but they still had the fundamental problem that the user has to remember to click in order for the tip to take place. I just don't think people are wired that way. I admire the work you've done (I am, in part, working on a for-profit "competitor"), but I just don't think it's the right model. In terms of human factors, Readability is closest to perfect IMO.
      - eferraiuolo 16y ago
        With Readability you still have to "remember to click" the read now/later button, and you don't get to choose how much you want to support that article; you actually have to support it _before_ you even read it.
        jacques_chester 16y ago
        I stand corrected. Looks like I was projecting my own thinking on to their system. The closest to what I'm doing was Contenture, since shut down. If they don't have one already, I expect an opt-out feature before too long. It's the first objection raised to my system whenever I talk to people about it.
        16y ago
- Jebdm 16y ago
  Have you considered adding a way for content makers to require a small payment (via a Facebook Connect-esque popup)? It seems like you're halfway to micropayments.
  - eferraiuolo 16y ago
    TipTheWeb will remain focused on being a service for voluntary support of web content and specifically _not_ a payment system. http://tiptheweb.org/answers/#tipping http://tiptheweb.org/answers/#tipping
    - Jebdm 16y ago
      Ah, okay; I skimmed and missed the non-profit part.