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Yeah, but if all the proponents of BLM die to Covid-19, who is going to be there to keep up the fight afterward? This is all very short-term thinking. There are

Yeah, but if all the proponents of BLM die to Covid-19, who is going to be there to keep up the fight afterward? This is all very short-term thinking. There are other ways to protest.

mrcorona 6y ago
I think that is irrelevant to many of the protestors. Most know that black Ferguson, Missouri protestors started to mysteriously die weeks after the protests ended (suspect foul play), they know the state may target them for the rest of their lives, and many made peace with putting their life on the line for this cause -before- they walked into the streets. >There are other ways to protest. Feel free to share any protest ideas you have that keep them safe and achieve Civil Rights Act level reforms without requiring people in the streets making the powerful uncomfortable.
pstuart 6y ago
> There are other ways to protest I'm genuinely curious. Would you care to elaborate?
- mydongle 6y ago
  Instead of destroying local businesses and terrorizing innocent people in their own cities, maybe they should be targetting the rich multinational corporations? Those corps will bend over for basically anything if to avoid backlash and protect their profits. If BLM could get enough people to boycott corporations who have benefitted from this status quo, then they could force them to push through the changes they want. If you have numbers, theres a bunch of things you could do without even stepping outside, let alone go and protesting, causing mayhem and chaos for our essential workers during this pandemic. My idea may not be the right one, they'll have to figure it out.
  - pstuart 6y ago
    Here's the thing: I'm not advocating for violence and neither are most of "us". This violence is not because of the protest, it's because of interlopers. You only see these protests as exercises in violence and mayhem, which is exactly what the powers that be want. It completely delegitimizes these First Amendment protests in the eyes of many. Much of that violence comes from interlopers who hijack the effort, and of that violence is manufactured by outsiders intentionally stirring up shit. The recent "antifa" account that was really a white nationalist organization comes to mind. Consistently framing the protesters as being the ones who are inciting or participating in this violence can only be disingenuous at best. Again, violence is bad, m'kay? We get that. It also means that it's bad when it comes from the police as well. Boycotting is a luxury, and is a dilute and indirect route to change. Perhaps they should just calm down and file a complaint with the police department and a manager will straighten everything out just right?
    - mydongle 6y ago
      This argument makes no sense in a world where any person on the right would be destroyed if they were associated with people who were looting and setting businesses on fire in the name of conservatism or whatever bullshit. Either people are responsible for those associated with them, or they're not. I have seen a lot of protestors and people on the left try to separate themselves from the rioters and take no responsibility, but not a lot of disavowals. If you don't advocate for violence or looting, end the protests and stop providing cover for those who are using the protests to commit crime. https://streamable.com/kgvoqv https://streamable.com/kgvoqv - louis vutton looted https://streamable.com/kc5hwj https://streamable.com/kc5hwj - amazon truck stopped and looted https://streamable.com/jmr7ez https://streamable.com/jmr7ez - liquor store looted https://streamable.com/x8rb8h https://streamable.com/x8rb8h - another liquor store looted https://streamable.com/2ka2cm https://streamable.com/2ka2cm - store manniquens looted https://streamable.com/53l2qd https://streamable.com/53l2qd - office looted and trashed https://streamable.com/x3al2j https://streamable.com/x3al2j - target looted 1 https://streamable.com/e706oz https://streamable.com/e706oz - target looted 2 https://streamable.com/d9t0au https://streamable.com/d9t0au - target looted - 3 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=6961 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=6961 [Embed] - target looted 4 https://streamable.com/m3n5ju https://streamable.com/m3n5ju - ohio statehouse broken into https://streamable.com/z2ffvm https://streamable.com/z2ffvm - arsonist sets fire to himself (disturbing) https://streamable.com/2wjxc0 https://streamable.com/2wjxc0 - daytime looting https://youtu.be/HUptzxyfpgQ?t=285 https://youtu.be/HUptzxyfpgQ?t=285 [Embed] - people pulling cars up to stores to load loot hauls https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=1944 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=1944 [Embed] - drug store looted by mob https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=4349 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=4349 [Embed] - back of store looted out onto street https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=5077 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=5077 [Embed] - store mobbed cop car smashed https://imgur.com/BPPgQu9 https://imgur.com/BPPgQu9 - nations most revered science fiction bookstore and priceless collection torched https://streamable.com/6710vr https://streamable.com/6710vr - LA's favela like conditions post-riots https://streamable.com/vqi0vm https://streamable.com/vqi0vm - minneapolis aftermath warzone https://streamable.com/94c32c https://streamable.com/94c32c - minneapolis first night pandemonium https://streamable.com/revv8g https://streamable.com/revv8g - sympathetic protesters get their windows smashed for no reason Wow, so many White supremacists.

Yeah, but if all the proponents of BLM die to Covid-19, who is going to be there to keep up the fight afterward? This is all very short-term thinking. There are other ways to protest.

mrcorona 6y ago

I think that is irrelevant to many of the protestors. Most know that black Ferguson, Missouri protestors started to mysteriously die weeks after the protests ended (suspect foul play), they know the state may target them for the rest of their lives, and many made peace with putting their life on the line for this cause -before- they walked into the streets. >There are other ways to protest. Feel free to share any protest ideas you have that keep them safe and achieve Civil Rights Act level reforms without requiring people in the streets making the powerful uncomfortable.

pstuart 6y ago

> There are other ways to protest I'm genuinely curious. Would you care to elaborate?

mydongle 6y ago
Instead of destroying local businesses and terrorizing innocent people in their own cities, maybe they should be targetting the rich multinational corporations? Those corps will bend over for basically anything if to avoid backlash and protect their profits. If BLM could get enough people to boycott corporations who have benefitted from this status quo, then they could force them to push through the changes they want. If you have numbers, theres a bunch of things you could do without even stepping outside, let alone go and protesting, causing mayhem and chaos for our essential workers during this pandemic. My idea may not be the right one, they'll have to figure it out.
- pstuart 6y ago
  Here's the thing: I'm not advocating for violence and neither are most of "us". This violence is not because of the protest, it's because of interlopers. You only see these protests as exercises in violence and mayhem, which is exactly what the powers that be want. It completely delegitimizes these First Amendment protests in the eyes of many. Much of that violence comes from interlopers who hijack the effort, and of that violence is manufactured by outsiders intentionally stirring up shit. The recent "antifa" account that was really a white nationalist organization comes to mind. Consistently framing the protesters as being the ones who are inciting or participating in this violence can only be disingenuous at best. Again, violence is bad, m'kay? We get that. It also means that it's bad when it comes from the police as well. Boycotting is a luxury, and is a dilute and indirect route to change. Perhaps they should just calm down and file a complaint with the police department and a manager will straighten everything out just right?
  - mydongle 6y ago
    This argument makes no sense in a world where any person on the right would be destroyed if they were associated with people who were looting and setting businesses on fire in the name of conservatism or whatever bullshit. Either people are responsible for those associated with them, or they're not. I have seen a lot of protestors and people on the left try to separate themselves from the rioters and take no responsibility, but not a lot of disavowals. If you don't advocate for violence or looting, end the protests and stop providing cover for those who are using the protests to commit crime. https://streamable.com/kgvoqv https://streamable.com/kgvoqv - louis vutton looted https://streamable.com/kc5hwj https://streamable.com/kc5hwj - amazon truck stopped and looted https://streamable.com/jmr7ez https://streamable.com/jmr7ez - liquor store looted https://streamable.com/x8rb8h https://streamable.com/x8rb8h - another liquor store looted https://streamable.com/2ka2cm https://streamable.com/2ka2cm - store manniquens looted https://streamable.com/53l2qd https://streamable.com/53l2qd - office looted and trashed https://streamable.com/x3al2j https://streamable.com/x3al2j - target looted 1 https://streamable.com/e706oz https://streamable.com/e706oz - target looted 2 https://streamable.com/d9t0au https://streamable.com/d9t0au - target looted - 3 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=6961 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=6961 [Embed] - target looted 4 https://streamable.com/m3n5ju https://streamable.com/m3n5ju - ohio statehouse broken into https://streamable.com/z2ffvm https://streamable.com/z2ffvm - arsonist sets fire to himself (disturbing) https://streamable.com/2wjxc0 https://streamable.com/2wjxc0 - daytime looting https://youtu.be/HUptzxyfpgQ?t=285 https://youtu.be/HUptzxyfpgQ?t=285 [Embed] - people pulling cars up to stores to load loot hauls https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=1944 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=1944 [Embed] - drug store looted by mob https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=4349 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=4349 [Embed] - back of store looted out onto street https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=5077 https://youtu.be/hF6mMCwc8GY?t=5077 [Embed] - store mobbed cop car smashed https://imgur.com/BPPgQu9 https://imgur.com/BPPgQu9 - nations most revered science fiction bookstore and priceless collection torched https://streamable.com/6710vr https://streamable.com/6710vr - LA's favela like conditions post-riots https://streamable.com/vqi0vm https://streamable.com/vqi0vm - minneapolis aftermath warzone https://streamable.com/94c32c https://streamable.com/94c32c - minneapolis first night pandemonium https://streamable.com/revv8g https://streamable.com/revv8g - sympathetic protesters get their windows smashed for no reason Wow, so many White supremacists.