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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-lette.

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pstuart 6y ago
The letter -- which went on to draw more than 1,200 signatures -- focuses on techniques to reduce harm to people protesting racial injustice. The letter does encourage social distancing as well. It seems that you are looking for "whataboutisms" here.
- mydongle 6y ago
  Nuance is not so important in this situation. The effect is that people have been effectively given a pass to disregard the virus, as long as they're "protesting". Look at the protests and all the riots, do you see social distancing happening? People are throwing punches out there my dude. It's chaos.
  - pstuart 6y ago
    You see what you want to see. The letter specifically cites the importance of social distancing as well as other measures. It's clear that your position is not in support of the protests, so you should just come out and say it directly, rather than continue your whataboutism that is, quite frankly, untrue. Since nuance is not your thing, I guess we'll just leave it at this. Have a nice day.
    - mydongle 6y ago
      It seems you see this in terms of idea and theory. I am looking at things from a greater view, seeing the actual effect and impact of things. This is the same thing when health experts told everyone masks don't work. They were wrong. And you will be wrong as well. Since if you believe I am against the protest, then it's in my benefit that the protests continue, so all my supposed enemies die off. Believe what you want :)
      - pstuart 6y ago
        The "masks don't work" message the beginning was a tragic mistake. I think I understand why it might have come to be, but it was a mistake nonetheless. Mistakes happen. If we learn from them they become lessons. I do see this in terms of idea and theory, as well as practice. These protests are a legitimate response to systematic abuse. It clearly has peoples attention, and that's a good thing from my perspective. I don't want to be wrong, so could you clarify exactly how I'm wrong? In supporting protests? In taking the letter you cited on its word that social distancing and other preventative measures should be taken by protesters? I can only guess that you are against these protests, in that you quoted them as "protests" and can only cite the the negatives you see (not enough social distancing and too much violence). If the current administration prevails, I will indeed be on the wrong side of history by virtue of who is writing it, and why. I'm proud to be on the side that opposes fascism and I don't need external approval to know that authoritarianism does not promote a just society.
        mydongle 6y ago
        When I said you would be wrong, I'm talking about the effects of that letter. The letter probably does mention that social distancing should be taken by protestors. But that is not what's happening and will not happen. So the main message the letter is: Coronavirus bad! Shut down your businesses and stay home. Except if you're protesting. As soon as you have a confrontation here and there, the virus is no longer of concern. If you are someone who is legitimately concerned about the pandemic, you should be angry at all the health experts who signed that letter. For they have delegitimized the pandemic and vindicated those who do not believe it to be the threat it was made out to be. As with the WHO masks thing, these kinds of actions have only destroyed the credibility of the science community, or whatever's left of it. The effects of that are to be seen. But you will see them. I don't know if I'm against the protests or not, perhaps it's more like I am against poor strategy. What has the protests done other than become co-opted by looters, dirty the perception of African Americans and other minorities, and now caused the science/health experts to disgrace themselves further? This is a big win for our enemies. I believe it's time for the protests to stop, so that we could see who's left, who are the people co-opting this movement to further their political goals. However pure and legitimate the protests are, to continue them is to continue providing a cover for those who would like to use the protests to further their political goals.
  - mrcorona 6y ago
    People living in a certain form of hell aren't afraid of dying of corona... I personally would rather die of pneumonia than 20 or so bullets to the back from an agent of the state operating with a hair trigger and impunity. Do people really think MLK felt safe when he was protesting? He was brave, new assassination was likely, and still marched.
    - mydongle 6y ago
      Yeah, but if all the proponents of BLM die to Covid-19, who is going to be there to keep up the fight afterward? This is all very short-term thinking. There are other ways to protest.
      - mrcorona 6y ago
        I think that is irrelevant to many of the protestors. Most know that black Ferguson, Missouri protestors started to mysteriously die weeks after the protests ended (suspect foul play), they know the state may target them for the rest of their lives, and many made peace with putting their life on the line for this cause -before- they walked into the streets. >There are other ways to protest. Feel free to share any protest ideas you have that keep them safe and achieve Civil Rights Act level reforms without requiring people in the streets making the powerful uncomfortable.
      - pstuart 6y ago
        > There are other ways to protest I'm genuinely curious. Would you care to elaborate?
        mydongle 6y ago
        Instead of destroying local businesses and terrorizing innocent people in their own cities, maybe they should be targetting the rich multinational corporations? Those corps will bend over for basically anything if to avoid backlash and protect their profits. If BLM could get enough people to boycott corporations who have benefitted from this status quo, then they could force them to push through the changes they want. If you have numbers, theres a bunch of things you could do without even stepping outside, let alone go and protesting, causing mayhem and chaos for our essential workers during this pandemic. My idea may not be the right one, they'll have to figure it out.

pstuart 6y ago

The letter -- which went on to draw more than 1,200 signatures -- focuses on techniques to reduce harm to people protesting racial injustice. The letter does encourage social distancing as well. It seems that you are looking for "whataboutisms" here.

mydongle 6y ago
Nuance is not so important in this situation. The effect is that people have been effectively given a pass to disregard the virus, as long as they're "protesting". Look at the protests and all the riots, do you see social distancing happening? People are throwing punches out there my dude. It's chaos.
- pstuart 6y ago
  You see what you want to see. The letter specifically cites the importance of social distancing as well as other measures. It's clear that your position is not in support of the protests, so you should just come out and say it directly, rather than continue your whataboutism that is, quite frankly, untrue. Since nuance is not your thing, I guess we'll just leave it at this. Have a nice day.
  - mydongle 6y ago
    It seems you see this in terms of idea and theory. I am looking at things from a greater view, seeing the actual effect and impact of things. This is the same thing when health experts told everyone masks don't work. They were wrong. And you will be wrong as well. Since if you believe I am against the protest, then it's in my benefit that the protests continue, so all my supposed enemies die off. Believe what you want :)
    - pstuart 6y ago
      The "masks don't work" message the beginning was a tragic mistake. I think I understand why it might have come to be, but it was a mistake nonetheless. Mistakes happen. If we learn from them they become lessons. I do see this in terms of idea and theory, as well as practice. These protests are a legitimate response to systematic abuse. It clearly has peoples attention, and that's a good thing from my perspective. I don't want to be wrong, so could you clarify exactly how I'm wrong? In supporting protests? In taking the letter you cited on its word that social distancing and other preventative measures should be taken by protesters? I can only guess that you are against these protests, in that you quoted them as "protests" and can only cite the the negatives you see (not enough social distancing and too much violence). If the current administration prevails, I will indeed be on the wrong side of history by virtue of who is writing it, and why. I'm proud to be on the side that opposes fascism and I don't need external approval to know that authoritarianism does not promote a just society.
      - mydongle 6y ago
        When I said you would be wrong, I'm talking about the effects of that letter. The letter probably does mention that social distancing should be taken by protestors. But that is not what's happening and will not happen. So the main message the letter is: Coronavirus bad! Shut down your businesses and stay home. Except if you're protesting. As soon as you have a confrontation here and there, the virus is no longer of concern. If you are someone who is legitimately concerned about the pandemic, you should be angry at all the health experts who signed that letter. For they have delegitimized the pandemic and vindicated those who do not believe it to be the threat it was made out to be. As with the WHO masks thing, these kinds of actions have only destroyed the credibility of the science community, or whatever's left of it. The effects of that are to be seen. But you will see them. I don't know if I'm against the protests or not, perhaps it's more like I am against poor strategy. What has the protests done other than become co-opted by looters, dirty the perception of African Americans and other minorities, and now caused the science/health experts to disgrace themselves further? This is a big win for our enemies. I believe it's time for the protests to stop, so that we could see who's left, who are the people co-opting this movement to further their political goals. However pure and legitimate the protests are, to continue them is to continue providing a cover for those who would like to use the protests to further their political goals.
- mrcorona 6y ago
  People living in a certain form of hell aren't afraid of dying of corona... I personally would rather die of pneumonia than 20 or so bullets to the back from an agent of the state operating with a hair trigger and impunity. Do people really think MLK felt safe when he was protesting? He was brave, new assassination was likely, and still marched.
  - mydongle 6y ago
    Yeah, but if all the proponents of BLM die to Covid-19, who is going to be there to keep up the fight afterward? This is all very short-term thinking. There are other ways to protest.
    - mrcorona 6y ago
      I think that is irrelevant to many of the protestors. Most know that black Ferguson, Missouri protestors started to mysteriously die weeks after the protests ended (suspect foul play), they know the state may target them for the rest of their lives, and many made peace with putting their life on the line for this cause -before- they walked into the streets. >There are other ways to protest. Feel free to share any protest ideas you have that keep them safe and achieve Civil Rights Act level reforms without requiring people in the streets making the powerful uncomfortable.
    - pstuart 6y ago
      > There are other ways to protest I'm genuinely curious. Would you care to elaborate?
      - mydongle 6y ago
        Instead of destroying local businesses and terrorizing innocent people in their own cities, maybe they should be targetting the rich multinational corporations? Those corps will bend over for basically anything if to avoid backlash and protect their profits. If BLM could get enough people to boycott corporations who have benefitted from this status quo, then they could force them to push through the changes they want. If you have numbers, theres a bunch of things you could do without even stepping outside, let alone go and protesting, causing mayhem and chaos for our essential workers during this pandemic. My idea may not be the right one, they'll have to figure it out.