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"So, we should have the cops take out liability insurance and pay damages?" No, they should get proper training and be held to professional standards.

ryanwaggoner 6y ago
We can do both, just like we do for doctors, for example.
jonfw 6y ago
Are you ready to double the pay of police? If you wanted to go through a lot of training and be held to high standards, you'd probably look for a more lucrative gig than being a cop
- Ididntdothis 6y ago
  If that’s what’s needed to attract reasonable people into the police then so be it. If we aren’t willing to pay for proper training and supervision then we have the police force we deserve.
  - craftinator 6y ago
    Being a police officer is a very high paying job for someone without an education. With overtime, the average pay in many departments is over $100k. For people without an education, who get a massive amount of job perks. The problem is that the job has too much power, which attracts violent, power hungry individuals. Take away their power, and you'll have a police force that desires to make their community a better place.
    - Ididntdothis 6y ago
      So we don’t even need to to pay more. Just better management, training and accountability.
      - craftinator 6y ago
        I agree with this! I have a hard time wanting to pay the police force more, because it not only attracts those who are overachievers, it attracts people who see it as the easiest way to make the most money. Why get an engineering degree or a business degree when I can just be a cop, carry a cool gun, and not have to pay speeding tickets? I think accountability is the single most needed thing; qualified immunity corrupts those qualified by it's protection.
- loudmax 6y ago
  > Are you ready to double the pay of police? Yes, absolutely! Raise police pay, along spending money on police training. Then hold those officers to high standards. This is absolutely the way forward. This certainly entails raising taxes, which makes better policing difficult to implement when one of the two major political parties is religiously opposed to taxation.
- camgunz 6y ago
  Not only am I willing to double it (or more), I'm willing to drastically reduce their duties. We ask far too much of police officers in the US, we need to respect their wellbeing and start addressing root causes of issues. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtnQ2GqBeg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtnQ2GqBeg [2]: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/killing-of-george-floyd-shows-our-over-reliance-on-police.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/killing-of-george-fl... [3]: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/06/03/457251670/how-much-do-we-need-the-police https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/06/03/457251670...
  - Ididntdothis 6y ago
    Very true. Especially the petty drug arrests they have to do are poisoning relationships between cops and citizens.
  - jonfw 6y ago
    I 100% agree with this. When you criminalize behavior that is very common, you very naturally create conflict
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  Cops are often the highest paid employees on municipal and state governments' payrolls. For example, in NJ, the median pay for a cop is $105k[1] before factoring in overtime, benefits or bonuses. It's a lucrative gig. In NYC, the NYPD runs commercials advertising full benefits, competitive compensation and only having to work for 20 years before being able to retire with a pension. [1] https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_much_is_the_median_cop_salary_in_your_town.html https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_much_is_the_median_cop_s...
munificent 6y ago
Forcing them to take out liability insurance is how you incentivize them to get proper training and instill professional standards.
- Ididntdothis 6y ago
  I work in medical devices. I don’t have to take liability insurance to do my job. I get training on FDA regulations and if I don’t follow them I get warned or fired. We also have internal and external audits with Independent auditors that have the power to demand changes or shut us down. The whole company culture is about doing things the right way and this is coming from the top. As far as I can tell all this is missing in US police or if there are auditors they are toothless or corrupt.

ryanwaggoner 6y ago

We can do both, just like we do for doctors, for example.

jonfw 6y ago

Are you ready to double the pay of police? If you wanted to go through a lot of training and be held to high standards, you'd probably look for a more lucrative gig than being a cop

Ididntdothis 6y ago
If that’s what’s needed to attract reasonable people into the police then so be it. If we aren’t willing to pay for proper training and supervision then we have the police force we deserve.
- craftinator 6y ago
  Being a police officer is a very high paying job for someone without an education. With overtime, the average pay in many departments is over $100k. For people without an education, who get a massive amount of job perks. The problem is that the job has too much power, which attracts violent, power hungry individuals. Take away their power, and you'll have a police force that desires to make their community a better place.
  - Ididntdothis 6y ago
    So we don’t even need to to pay more. Just better management, training and accountability.
    - craftinator 6y ago
      I agree with this! I have a hard time wanting to pay the police force more, because it not only attracts those who are overachievers, it attracts people who see it as the easiest way to make the most money. Why get an engineering degree or a business degree when I can just be a cop, carry a cool gun, and not have to pay speeding tickets? I think accountability is the single most needed thing; qualified immunity corrupts those qualified by it's protection.
loudmax 6y ago
> Are you ready to double the pay of police? Yes, absolutely! Raise police pay, along spending money on police training. Then hold those officers to high standards. This is absolutely the way forward. This certainly entails raising taxes, which makes better policing difficult to implement when one of the two major political parties is religiously opposed to taxation.
camgunz 6y ago
Not only am I willing to double it (or more), I'm willing to drastically reduce their duties. We ask far too much of police officers in the US, we need to respect their wellbeing and start addressing root causes of issues. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtnQ2GqBeg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtnQ2GqBeg [2]: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/killing-of-george-floyd-shows-our-over-reliance-on-police.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/killing-of-george-fl... [3]: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/06/03/457251670/how-much-do-we-need-the-police https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/06/03/457251670...
- Ididntdothis 6y ago
  Very true. Especially the petty drug arrests they have to do are poisoning relationships between cops and citizens.
- jonfw 6y ago
  I 100% agree with this. When you criminalize behavior that is very common, you very naturally create conflict
heavyset_go 6y ago
Cops are often the highest paid employees on municipal and state governments' payrolls. For example, in NJ, the median pay for a cop is $105k[1] before factoring in overtime, benefits or bonuses. It's a lucrative gig. In NYC, the NYPD runs commercials advertising full benefits, competitive compensation and only having to work for 20 years before being able to retire with a pension. [1] https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_much_is_the_median_cop_salary_in_your_town.html https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_much_is_the_median_cop_s...

munificent 6y ago

Forcing them to take out liability insurance is how you incentivize them to get proper training and instill professional standards.

Ididntdothis 6y ago
I work in medical devices. I don’t have to take liability insurance to do my job. I get training on FDA regulations and if I don’t follow them I get warned or fired. We also have internal and external audits with Independent auditors that have the power to demand changes or shut us down. The whole company culture is about doing things the right way and this is coming from the top. As far as I can tell all this is missing in US police or if there are auditors they are toothless or corrupt.