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What was blatantly wrong about it?
by RandomTisk 6y ago
What was blatantly wrong about it?
- camccar 6y agoNothing. Facts don’t matter Only feelings. His tweet hurt our feelings
- shadowgovt 6y agoMail-in ballots don't generally increase the instances of election fraud. All of the "what ifs" have been investigated in the states that have had general-populace mail-in for years and been found not to occur in either (a) numbers that sway the election or (b) numbers distinguishable from in-person fraud (which is usually of the form "person not eligible to vote, but voting office screwed up and granted them a card" or "person moved and failed to notify election boards of the relocation; voted in the wrong district").
- RandomTisk 6y agoEvery election has at least one story of rampant incompetence and/or outright fraud where one person is able to alter hundreds to thousands of votes. For elections where it can literally be 50.2% to 49.8%, it can make all the difference.
- shadowgovt 6y agoRampant incompetence isn't the same as fraud, and one would still have to make the case that we lose hundreds of envelopes more often than we have an entire data-store go missing (or, for that matter, than we have a fleet of digital voting machines crash and deny access to the polls to face-to-face voters for hours).
- RandomTisk 6y agoThen the tweet wasn't 'factually incorrect' as was claimed, perhaps unsubstantiated given past performance isn't a guarantee of future performance but certainly election security is nothing to turn a blind eye to.
- shadowgovt 6y agoI'm not sure where you're getting the "factually incorrect" claim; "unsubstantiated" is the actual terminology Twitter used: "Trump makes unsubstantiated claim that mail-in ballots will lead to voter fraud"
- ikeyany 6y agoPlease do not spead false information on HN. The tweet in question is: > "There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent." Twitter labeled it as unsubstantiated, and provided a link to facts on mail-in ballots. Even if they didn't, his tweet is factually incorrect.
- calvinmorrison 6y agoLast I checked they posted a bunch of 'fact-checkers' (read: CNN blogosphere interns) remarks. Trump could probably say the SKY is blue and there will be a Marty Moss-Coane sound alike on the news tomorrow about how trump is losing his mind and clearly is colorblind.
- ilikehurdles 6y agoThat's not what he posted. You've invented a strawman and are now arguing against a hypothetical scenario that plays out only according to the rules your mind has made up for it.
- RandomTisk 6y agoWhich part are you asserting is factually wrong, that the election that hasn't happened yet will have "substantially fraudulent" mail in ballots? Or are you asserting that mail-in-ballots are secure or secure-enough to maintain the American democracy?
- ikeyany 6y agoMail-in ballots have existed for decades in elections all across the country and no one has questioned their legitimacy. If you accept the results of elections that have occurred prior to today, then there is no basis for the argument that mail-in ballots are illegitimate all of a sudden.
- fchu 6y agoMmm citation needed here.
- busymom0 6y agoI have provided plenty of sources in my other comment on why "Mail-in ballots don't generally increase the instances of election fraud" is 100% wrong: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23331091 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23331091