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As another Dutch citizen, it's a true story! Read about it here: https://amp.nos.nl/artikel/2213762-hackteam-aivd-gaf-fbi-cruciale-info-over-russische-inmenging

As another Dutch citizen, it's a true story! Read about it here: https://amp.nos.nl/artikel/2213762-hackteam-aivd-gaf-fbi-cruciale-info-over-russische-inmenging-verkiezingen.html https://amp.nos.nl/artikel/2213762-hackteam-aivd-gaf-fbi-cru...

the-dude 6y ago
I know it has been reported in the news. Does not make it true.
- ciarannolan 6y ago
  They were pretty public with the evidence when it came out (including releasing security camera footage and names of Russian agents). Which parts do you think are false?
  - coldtea 6y ago
    And those names can't be faked (or belong to true people but not relevant to what they supposedly did) because? I'd be sceptical of any "revelation" from such agencies...
    - ciarannolan 6y ago
      There's evidence that it's substantially true (ex. security camera footage and confirmation by most worldwide press outlets). Curious if you have evidence that it's fabricated? Other than your distrust of intelligence agencies in general.
      - coldtea 6y ago
        >Curious if you have evidence that it's fabricated? What happened to the burden of proof? Especially from professional liars like intelligence agencies...
        ciarannolan 6y ago
        So, no?
        coldtea 6y ago
        No, they don't have any proof just a claim we should take at face value.
        ciarannolan 6y ago
        Are you being intentionally obtuse?
BozeWolf 6y ago
I advice to read this book then: https://www.bol.com/nl/p/het-is-oorlog-maar-niemand-die-het-ziet/9200000107493354/ https://www.bol.com/nl/p/het-is-oorlog-maar-niemand-die-het-... It was in there. Pretty interesting read as well. Lots of stuff on FoxIT and the guy behind it.
- elliekelly 6y ago
  It doesn’t seem an English translation of the book has been released yet. I don’t speak Dutch so apologies if this is a silly question but when you mention FoxIT are you referring to the PDF application?
  - codnee 6y ago
    It's this FoxIT I imagine: https://www.fox-it.com/en/ https://www.fox-it.com/en/
    - elliekelly 6y ago
      Ah, that makes much more sense! Thanks!

the-dude 6y ago

I know it has been reported in the news. Does not make it true.

ciarannolan 6y ago
They were pretty public with the evidence when it came out (including releasing security camera footage and names of Russian agents). Which parts do you think are false?
- coldtea 6y ago
  And those names can't be faked (or belong to true people but not relevant to what they supposedly did) because? I'd be sceptical of any "revelation" from such agencies...
  - ciarannolan 6y ago
    There's evidence that it's substantially true (ex. security camera footage and confirmation by most worldwide press outlets). Curious if you have evidence that it's fabricated? Other than your distrust of intelligence agencies in general.
    - coldtea 6y ago
      >Curious if you have evidence that it's fabricated? What happened to the burden of proof? Especially from professional liars like intelligence agencies...
      - ciarannolan 6y ago
        So, no?
        coldtea 6y ago
        No, they don't have any proof just a claim we should take at face value.
        ciarannolan 6y ago
        Are you being intentionally obtuse?

BozeWolf 6y ago

I advice to read this book then: https://www.bol.com/nl/p/het-is-oorlog-maar-niemand-die-het-ziet/9200000107493354/ https://www.bol.com/nl/p/het-is-oorlog-maar-niemand-die-het-... It was in there. Pretty interesting read as well. Lots of stuff on FoxIT and the guy behind it.

elliekelly 6y ago
It doesn’t seem an English translation of the book has been released yet. I don’t speak Dutch so apologies if this is a silly question but when you mention FoxIT are you referring to the PDF application?
- codnee 6y ago
  It's this FoxIT I imagine: https://www.fox-it.com/en/ https://www.fox-it.com/en/
  - elliekelly 6y ago
    Ah, that makes much more sense! Thanks!