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A unusual keyboard key switch
- jaybeeayyy 6y agoInteresting! I'm curious how this would sound on a built board compared to the other unique mechanical switches out there.
- pjc50 6y agoSound is determined by the springs and mechanical action. This design could potentially be made silent. More interestingly, it could give you pressure-sensitive switches ...
- alibert 6y agoYou might want to take a look at this : https://wooting.io/wootingone https://wooting.io/wootingone (not affiliated)
- tubetime 6y agoit doesn't have any snap action. the force is set by a spring so it's just linear. the sound is fairly quiet.
- sebazzz 6y agoI wonder if this will make it into a modern mechanical keyboard.
- bjoli 6y agoHall effect switches are coming. Some manufacturers have already started. The cool part is that you can set the actuation point in software on them.
- DavidVoid 6y agoHall effect switches have existed in keyboards for a long time [1]. I don't think there are many of them being produced nowadays though, but there's at least one new Chinese Hall effect keyboard that came out a few years ago [2]. Wooting also has a Hall effect switch [3]. You can't buy any keyboards with it yet but you can pre-order one at least [4]. [1] https://deskthority.net/wiki/Keystroke_sensing#Hall_effect https://deskthority.net/wiki/Keystroke_sensing#Hall_effect [2] https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84525.0 https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84525.0 [3] https://blog.wooting.nl/introducing-the-lekker-switch/ https://blog.wooting.nl/introducing-the-lekker-switch/ [4] https://wooting.io/wooting_two_lekker_pre_order https://wooting.io/wooting_two_lekker_pre_order
- bjoli 6y agoOh yes, I should have written "coming back". I have one from the 70s in my posession somewhere. I am more a clicky kind of guy (or at least proper tactile, not mx brown mush), but for linear switches I would love to be able to set the actuation point!
- Exmoor 6y agoSlightly more readable version: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1260688848104771586.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1260688848104771586.html
- whywhywhywhy 6y agoShocked Twitter has chosen to make their reading experience even worse. Now I get linked to a tweet thread, Twitter knows it's a tweet thread of one user but what does it choose to show? Just the single tweet, a small "Show this thread" link and then 5 random other tweets from other people not connected or related to this tweet at all.
- nick238 6y agoA flip-flop would work to convert the analog to 1-bit digital, but you could also tweak the magnetics and with a better ADC get velocity measurements! Add some software and you can type ANGRY MESSAGES by just pounding on your keyboard, no shift/cruise control needed!
- projektfu 6y agoCute idea but I’m not sure of that. The sensing method is by multiplexed polling.
- DavidVoid 6y agoRealforce did this a few years ago with Topre switches (which are capacitive). Here's a video demonstration of someone using a keyboard like that as a piano [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhCSIy-Qt0M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhCSIy-Qt0M
- tubetime 6y agothat's a cool idea!
- akssri 6y agoVery cool! Old keyboards and key-switches are an endless source of fun trivia. I think Topre is the only one that manufactures keyboards with contactless key switches today. Topre key-switches measure the change in capacitance instead, and their keyboards (of the HHKB fame) sell for greater than $200. https://www.keychatter.com/topre-switches/ https://www.keychatter.com/topre-switches/
- thesmok 6y agoYou can also get Topre switches in Leopold keyboards, models ending with letter C (for capacitive).
- alibert 6y agoAnother unusual key switch is the opto-mechanical like the one used in https://wooting.io/wootingone https://wooting.io/wootingone (not affiliated). They use infrared and they are also analog. You can bind different event based on the actuation force you put on the switch.
- DavidVoid 6y agoThis just reminded me of the most unusual switch I've ever heard of: Smith-Corona's acoustic switch from the 80s. There's no per-switch sensor at all! Instead, each key-press just results in one wide metal bar being hit. And to figure out which key was pressed, there's a sensor on the right and the left side which are used to calculate what key was pressed based on how long it took for the signal (i.e. vibration in the bar) to reach the left and right sensor. It's so clever and so ridiculous at the same time! [1] Video presentation (Talk about acoustic switches starts at 1:46:00): https://youtu.be/AvszDsr1js8?t=6361 https://youtu.be/AvszDsr1js8?t=6361 [2] Slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jfWpf8cABnH54yVjPIU3iECoH0aguMo6QFYJJptRous/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jfWpf8cABnH54yVjPIU3...
- snori74 6y agoOnce dealt with a 2d digitising pad that worked off the audio click of a spark in a similar way. Wild.
- kabdib 6y agoThis glorious hunk of junk https://oldcomputers.net/compucolor-8001.html https://oldcomputers.net/compucolor-8001.html had a keyboard that was optical, it ran beams of light through masks attached to the keys, and looked at the beam interruptions as keys were pressed. The keyboarding experience was absolutely miserable; you had to COMPLETELY release a key before pressing another. Ghosting and mangled keystrokes were almost impossible to avoid. I'd rather type on a card punch than one of those . . . well, no. But it's darned close.
- ComputerGuru 6y agoThe claim that it was patents that prevented it from seeing widespread use doesn’t seem legitimate, especially as the list of cons doesn’t mention the high production and component costs of such a mechanism. The reason why crappy dome switches won out despite their really long list of cons is extreme price superiority. The linked design is simply far too expensive and complicated by comparison.
- tubetime 6y agodome switches are definitely cheaper, but i was comparing this design to mechanical switches. the magnetic switch has far fewer moving parts and the tolerances don't have to be very tight.
- GuB-42 6y agoIt looks a like a binary LVDT [1] sensor. These are linear sensors that work by measuring the output of a transformer with a movable core. They have a reputation for being extremely reliable, even under harsh conditions. Therefore they are commonly used in aircraft, turbines, nuclear reactors, etc... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_variable_differential_transformer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_variable_differential_t...
- korethr 6y agoSo, how's the tactile feel on this switch?
- falcolas 6y agoProbably something like a U curve, with no explicit tactile bump, since the magnets would be attracted to the ferrite core, and when that force falls off, the spring force would pick back up.