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Alameda County agrees to let Tesla reopen if certain conditions are met
- rdtwo 6y agoEveryone else should just go ahead and reopen as well.
- api 6y agoIt's asinine for factories to be kept closed while big box stores are open. I know some people who work in the latter and they've had customers refusing to wear masks, spitting on employees (cops called), etc. Factories have the ability to strictly regulate distancing and mask use and are heavily monitored places, so they are much safer.
- rsj_hn 6y agoI was really looking forward to the court challenges on this one, and am a bit disappointed the county caved. Bottom line, we have local officials making decrees and proclamations with no legislative basis -- often the legislature is not even in session as one proclamation is made after another -- and they are curtailing things like right to assemble, right to hold religious services, and interstate commerce. This needs court challenges all across the country, and unfortunately only the wealthy can afford a big legal fight. Most of them can easily hide in luxurious compounds and aren't impacted nearly as much as those dependent on a regular income, so Elon Musk was doing a public service by openly challenging these decrees and daring someone to arrest him for a crime that doesn't actually exist in any state legal code.
- ardy42 6y ago> and am a bit disappointed the county caved. I'm not sure that it did. It seems like their plan all along was for the factory to open next week: > Monday. Newsom also said the developing agreement between the county and Tesla had been for the plant to reopen next week. It was not clear why Musk was unsatisfied with the prospect of even a short delay in the plant’s reopening. > County officials also were envisioning allowing the plant to reopen soon before Musk made his abrupt move. > Earlier Tuesday, Alameda County Supervisor Scott Haggerty, whose district includes Tesla’s Fremont plant, said he was “confident” that health officials and Tesla would have reached a plan to have the plant reopen with a May 18 target date, according to Shawn Wilson, his chief of staff.
- woofyman 6y ago> Most of them can easily hide in luxurious compounds and aren't impacted nearly as much as those dependent on a regular income So they want other people to risk their lives to make more billions for them.
- TomMarius 6y agoYou know they could walk out any day and start earning the billions if they really have the ability? We are not talking about low income people.
- 101404 6y agoAnd large part of the population seems all too willing to just follow these local officials and blindly believe anything they say. And those who dare to challenge them get insulted.
- callalex 6y agoIf you want to act in an anti-social manner, don’t be surprised when you are socially ostracized.
- 101404 6y agoWhat is "anti social" about defending human rights against those who think they stand above them?
- netsharc 6y agoGotta love assholes thinking they know better than scientists, and then claiming "we're defending human rights!". Using this Asimov quote is surely a cliché, but "Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'". Feel free to scream that you're right and I'm wrong...
- 101404 6y agoWhat scientists? Scientists had said is okay to open. The State government said it's okay to open. Only some local dude didn't want to. And thank you for calling me an "asshole".
- codeddesign 6y agoIn other words: go against the grain and you’ll be down voted to oblivion. Unfortunately and sadly, widely differing opinions are not tolerated too much on HN.
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- eganist 6y agoThere's an amazing amount of emphasis in these comments on strict adhesion to the law and not enough on the actual risk of harm if the site continues to go about reopening. Honestly, if a company wants to disobey a government edict that's for the good of the people when there's no law to back it up, so be it; I hope the people and estates of those who are injured or killed can use the judiciary to sufficient ends to become somewhat close to whole again.
- qppo 6y agoThere are processes to follow. If Alameda County is at fault then the courts can decide. They can issue restraining orders to suspend the quarantine if they felt the county overstepped its bounds too. What can't happen is letting a company bully a local government because they don't want to make less money. This is just another example of our democracy crumbling into an oligarchy. Musk is not above the law because he has money and employs people.
- eganist 6y agoAbsolutely, and closed companies should use any avenues legally available to them if they disagree. But that said, if you disagree about staying closed (royal you, not You you), and people die because you reopened, I hope you get cleaned out.
- zepto 6y agoWhat exact ‘bullying’ are you talking about? As far as I know all Musk did was post a few tweets. Not hire a gang of armed men.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y agoThreatening to move his factory unless the county caved and made an exception to its public health rules.
- zepto 6y agoHow is that ‘bullying’? If he thinks the factory will be better somewhere else, why shouldn’t he move it?
- KKKKkkkk1 6y agoIs there a risk that Tesla's factory opening will spark a COVID outbreak? Is there any personal or financial risk for Elon in the case of such an outbreak? How would the answers to these questions influence your decisions if you were Elon?
- kanox 6y agoThere are several other Tesla factories that were already open and SpaceX never closed. Their claim that manufacturing is relatively low risk seems credible.
- EdSharkey 6y agoSounds like the county is just trying to save face. If the factory reopens and there isn't a tsunami of new hospitalizations and deaths in two weeks, will you covid doomsayers relent? (Will you ever relent?)
- jdkee 6y agoNothing like letting a billionaire throw a temper-tantrum to dictate public health policy.