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I think it's highly unlikely...but I'd be very happy to be wrong, too. These highly-leveraged "new" companies and individuals make up only a portion of AirBnB-

by afjl 6y ago

I think it's highly unlikely...but I'd be very happy to be wrong, too. These highly-leveraged "new" companies and individuals make up only a portion of AirBnB-rented homes, which themselves are only a small portion of the entire housing market. There was a very recent interview or article with AirBnB's CEO where he (I'm sure he was fudging the numbers a bit) said only 1/3 of AirBNB homes are actually owned by these kinds of speculative home-buyers. The remaining 2/3 are split evenly between traditional real estate leasing companies and homeowners with only 1 house. Also, worth considering that short-term rentals can easily be transformed back into long-term rentals. In any case, I think a national housing market plunge is highly unlikely.

llamataboot 6y ago
1/3 is not a small number in this equation though!
- afjl 6y ago
  It is a small number compared to the entire housing market.
CaptainZapp 6y ago
> These highly-leveraged "new" companies and individuals make up only a portion of AirBnB-rented homes That's what AirBnb very much likes you to believe. In my opinion they lie a lot. > which themselves are only a small portion of the entire housing market. That really depends on the city. Barcelona, Amsterdam, Prague and other cities were literally killed by AirBnb and by extension by AirBnb slumlords. > Also, worth considering that short-term rentals can easily be transformed back into long-term rentals. That maybe true. Then again, if you max out your credit card to speculate on highly leveraged financial products the time window for clean-up may be very short and you may be forced to sell at a very bad price. I, for one, are really not sorry for this bunch of city killing assholes. For short term financial gains they make life miserable for everybody else.
IkmoIkmo 6y ago
Yes that's of course what the CEO wants to say, because professional airbnb = hotel company not playing by the hotel regulations/license rules, plus it's pushing out locals. So he downplays that and wants to make it seem as if airbnb is majority-driven by mom n pop folk, who make available a free room or their home some of the time to supplement income a bit, harmless. In reality, a typical person (like me) would rent out their space about 10 days a year, while an airbnb company aims for 365. Could very well be that 2/3rd of listings are average-joes and 1/3rd are professional. But in terms of nightly stays, it could still be about 20 professional to 1 average-joe. And those nightly stays ultimately reflect the revenue that drives the economics of these properties, airbnb's business and the impact on the local market.

by afjl 6y ago

llamataboot 6y ago

1/3 is not a small number in this equation though!

afjl 6y ago
It is a small number compared to the entire housing market.

CaptainZapp 6y ago

> These highly-leveraged "new" companies and individuals make up only a portion of AirBnB-rented homes That's what AirBnb very much likes you to believe. In my opinion they lie a lot. > which themselves are only a small portion of the entire housing market. That really depends on the city. Barcelona, Amsterdam, Prague and other cities were literally killed by AirBnb and by extension by AirBnb slumlords. > Also, worth considering that short-term rentals can easily be transformed back into long-term rentals. That maybe true. Then again, if you max out your credit card to speculate on highly leveraged financial products the time window for clean-up may be very short and you may be forced to sell at a very bad price. I, for one, are really not sorry for this bunch of city killing assholes. For short term financial gains they make life miserable for everybody else.

IkmoIkmo 6y ago

Yes that's of course what the CEO wants to say, because professional airbnb = hotel company not playing by the hotel regulations/license rules, plus it's pushing out locals. So he downplays that and wants to make it seem as if airbnb is majority-driven by mom n pop folk, who make available a free room or their home some of the time to supplement income a bit, harmless. In reality, a typical person (like me) would rent out their space about 10 days a year, while an airbnb company aims for 365. Could very well be that 2/3rd of listings are average-joes and 1/3rd are professional. But in terms of nightly stays, it could still be about 20 professional to 1 average-joe. And those nightly stays ultimately reflect the revenue that drives the economics of these properties, airbnb's business and the impact on the local market.