8 ms·

Well, this is interesting because, subset of people deciding one is "radioactive" is very small compared to whole society, but in general the society is selforg

Well, this is interesting because, subset of people deciding one is "radioactive" is very small compared to whole society, but in general the society is selforganized. There is no oppression. People have money and power because other people give it to them. I guess people collecitvely want to have black characters in power to do the dirty, making their live easier overall. I don't see other reason "western" societies don't change people in power when they actually can.

scruffups 6y ago
<< society is selforganized. There is no oppression.>> Self-oppression? Sure. But it does not mean that oppression doesn't exist. It's just that it is self caused, and self here refers to society as a whole. Oppression exists whether it's self-inflicted or inflicted by one/many upon another/others.
- rmrfstar 6y ago
  It's tough to call it self-oppression when our governance mechanisms are literally unresponsive to 90% of the public. See [1] pdf page 10. [1] https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/fi...
  - scruffups 6y ago
    I understand. But a significant percentage of people keep voting for stooges and corporatists. What do you call that? Maybe not your self but the collective self is responsible, no?
throwaway49872 6y ago
> There is no oppression Please tell me you are being sarcastic. > people collecitvely want to have black characters in power to do the dirty, making their live easier overall. As if the appointment of people in power was decided democratically.
abdullahkhalids 6y ago
For anyone wondering why this viewpoint is wrong, recall Nash equilibrium. Society, made of many people, is often stuck in suboptimal Nash equilibrium despite no one actually wanting the global state of things. The only way out is collective social or legal action (often seeded or inspired by martyrs).

scruffups 6y ago

<< society is selforganized. There is no oppression.>> Self-oppression? Sure. But it does not mean that oppression doesn't exist. It's just that it is self caused, and self here refers to society as a whole. Oppression exists whether it's self-inflicted or inflicted by one/many upon another/others.

rmrfstar 6y ago
It's tough to call it self-oppression when our governance mechanisms are literally unresponsive to 90% of the public. See [1] pdf page 10. [1] https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/fi...
- scruffups 6y ago
  I understand. But a significant percentage of people keep voting for stooges and corporatists. What do you call that? Maybe not your self but the collective self is responsible, no?

throwaway49872 6y ago

> There is no oppression Please tell me you are being sarcastic. > people collecitvely want to have black characters in power to do the dirty, making their live easier overall. As if the appointment of people in power was decided democratically.

abdullahkhalids 6y ago

For anyone wondering why this viewpoint is wrong, recall Nash equilibrium. Society, made of many people, is often stuck in suboptimal Nash equilibrium despite no one actually wanting the global state of things. The only way out is collective social or legal action (often seeded or inspired by martyrs).