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fastmail or with (many) own domains: mailbox.org, runbox.com ...

roblabla 6y ago
I second fastmail, it's a really great service. I've been a happy customer for a year now, using my own domain and a sieve script for automated triaging of my emails. Their web interface is really, really good, and they're working hard to modernize the email protocols, with their work on JMAP and so on.
- pedro2 6y ago
  How’s the Australian spy law [1] thing? [1] https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/goodbye-fastmail.html https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/goodbye-fastmail.html
  - throwaway49872 6y ago
    This is terrible, I'm [genuinly] surprised that other people recommend fastmail.
    - chappi42 6y ago
      I don't think the blog post is accurate, see [1]. From the three providers mentioned above (fastmail/mailbox/runbox) which I have experience with, fastmail has by far the best ui, speed and feel (atm). As with gmail the fastmail provider does read your email content to provide e.g. search (and in case of gmail who knows what more?). Both will hand out information with a lawful warrant. -- And as long as the government is reasonably sane [2] that's perfectly fine with me. [1] https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/21/advocating-for-privacy-aabill-australia/ https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/21/advocating-for-privacy-aabi... [2] otherwise I'd try ProtonMail (but it has a price in useability)
    - sitharus 6y ago
      Government interception is not part of my threat model for email. Emails may relayed through intermediate servers I can't control and may or may not be encrypted in transit or storage along the way. If I want private communication I'm not going to use email (or probably the internet). However a service not randomly shutting down or dropping support for open protocols _is_ part of my requirements for an email host.
  - dewey 6y ago
    Does that really change much in reality? If you expect your emails to be inaccessible to anyone except you and the recipient you'll have to encrypt them anyway. If you are worried about the data-mining for ad purposes on other providers switching to a paid provider like Fastmail is still a good option and while everyone is subject to ad-tech data mining not everyone is subject to a targeted collection by a government actor most of the time.
    - pedro2 6y ago
      My threat model is: governments can read my email but that will incur a cost, a timelapse and a judge -- not just a point and click mega-spy interface. I want to bash Trump's latest haircut without fear of incoming, frivolous litigation. I do, however, expect consequences if I do something really stupid.
  - roblabla 6y ago
    I'm in France, and use email mostly to keep up with newsletters, personal comms, and non-important professional comms. If your threat model includes the Australian Government as a threat, then yes, using another provider would make sense. Then again, if you have government agencies in your threat model, you might want to move to E2E communications anyways.
athenot 6y ago
I'm also very satisfied with Fastmail. Cost is the same as Google's paid tier but they do email really well.
endre 6y ago
i second to fastmail
Doctor_Fegg 6y ago
+1 for Runbox. Reliable service and better price than Fastmail for my circumstances, at least.
tzs 6y ago
Why not Fastmail with many own domains? The $5/month ($50/year, $130/3-year) plan allows 100 domains.
- chappi42 6y ago
  Some years ago this was not possible in fastmail (or I didn't find it;) In addition: if you want to separate the domains, then mailbox/runbox have a low-cost plan (around €15/y, iirc) which doesn't exist in fastmail.
hedora 6y ago
Fastmail. Definitely. They exceed all my expectations, and I‘m picky.

I second fastmail, it's a really great service. I've been a happy customer for a year now, using my own domain and a sieve script for automated triaging of my emails. Their web interface is really, really good, and they're working hard to modernize the email protocols, with their work on JMAP and so on.

pedro2 6y ago
How’s the Australian spy law [1] thing? [1] https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/goodbye-fastmail.html https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/goodbye-fastmail.html
- throwaway49872 6y ago
  This is terrible, I'm [genuinly] surprised that other people recommend fastmail.
  - chappi42 6y ago
    I don't think the blog post is accurate, see [1]. From the three providers mentioned above (fastmail/mailbox/runbox) which I have experience with, fastmail has by far the best ui, speed and feel (atm). As with gmail the fastmail provider does read your email content to provide e.g. search (and in case of gmail who knows what more?). Both will hand out information with a lawful warrant. -- And as long as the government is reasonably sane [2] that's perfectly fine with me. [1] https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/21/advocating-for-privacy-aabill-australia/ https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/21/advocating-for-privacy-aabi... [2] otherwise I'd try ProtonMail (but it has a price in useability)
  - sitharus 6y ago
    Government interception is not part of my threat model for email. Emails may relayed through intermediate servers I can't control and may or may not be encrypted in transit or storage along the way. If I want private communication I'm not going to use email (or probably the internet). However a service not randomly shutting down or dropping support for open protocols _is_ part of my requirements for an email host.
- dewey 6y ago
  Does that really change much in reality? If you expect your emails to be inaccessible to anyone except you and the recipient you'll have to encrypt them anyway. If you are worried about the data-mining for ad purposes on other providers switching to a paid provider like Fastmail is still a good option and while everyone is subject to ad-tech data mining not everyone is subject to a targeted collection by a government actor most of the time.
  - pedro2 6y ago
    My threat model is: governments can read my email but that will incur a cost, a timelapse and a judge -- not just a point and click mega-spy interface. I want to bash Trump's latest haircut without fear of incoming, frivolous litigation. I do, however, expect consequences if I do something really stupid.
- roblabla 6y ago
  I'm in France, and use email mostly to keep up with newsletters, personal comms, and non-important professional comms. If your threat model includes the Australian Government as a threat, then yes, using another provider would make sense. Then again, if you have government agencies in your threat model, you might want to move to E2E communications anyways.

athenot 6y ago

I'm also very satisfied with Fastmail. Cost is the same as Google's paid tier but they do email really well.

endre 6y ago

i second to fastmail

Doctor_Fegg 6y ago

+1 for Runbox. Reliable service and better price than Fastmail for my circumstances, at least.

tzs 6y ago

Why not Fastmail with many own domains? The $5/month ($50/year, $130/3-year) plan allows 100 domains.

chappi42 6y ago
Some years ago this was not possible in fastmail (or I didn't find it;) In addition: if you want to separate the domains, then mailbox/runbox have a low-cost plan (around €15/y, iirc) which doesn't exist in fastmail.

hedora 6y ago

Fastmail. Definitely. They exceed all my expectations, and I‘m picky.