6 ms·

I wish systemd haters would make a public petition to remove systemd from this world. I would absolutely use such a list to make sure I never accidentally hire

I wish systemd haters would make a public petition to remove systemd from this world. I would absolutely use such a list to make sure I never accidentally hire any one of them for any system administration positions.

dman 6y ago
As a person who does not work as a system administrator professionally but does use self administered linux machines as workstations systemd has not brought any new productivity gains but it sure has increased the learning curve.
- aganame 6y ago
  As a person for whom Linux and BSDs have been a hobby since 1996, I have no idea what you're talking about.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    A hobbyist making hiring decisions and maintaining a blacklist of professionals who bitch about a change they had no control over? You're not helping.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
  - tux1968 6y ago
    One small example that i've struggled with is logging. It used to be I could reuse my editor knowledge to search and read log files. Now every time I want to look at a log I have to re-read the man pages to figure out the proper incantation.
    - aganame 6y ago
      Learning new tricks gets harder when we get older. Is that the software’s fault?
      - dijit 6y ago
        You could make several arguments here, but they're all small until you aggregate them. 1) Breaking working systems should be dissuaded, especially when it comes to human interaction. There's a reason that Microsoft still has a start menu and "File/Edit" menu's 2) There is a certain level of arrogance to the notion that a developer of core infrastructure for literally millions of users can just change things and expect everyone to fall in line without giving credible reason for people to do that. 3) Adding an additional tool to everyones cognitive load should be done with care and delicacy, as it stood there was one set of tools for _all_ file accesses, and there is now a new one. PS; on a personal note, I'm glad I do not work with you, I find your attitude in the grandparent comment deplorable.
        aganame 6y ago
        Yeah, you’re right. I was exaggerating for some reason I don’t recall anymore, a bad day perhaps, too much or too little coffee or something. Who knows. Of course I don’t discriminate at hiring time against people who disagree with me on such a trivial technical detail. Or hunt for them so I can maintain secret lists of undesirables. That would be unethical, probably illegal, and definitely stupid.

dman 6y ago

As a person who does not work as a system administrator professionally but does use self administered linux machines as workstations systemd has not brought any new productivity gains but it sure has increased the learning curve.

aganame 6y ago
As a person for whom Linux and BSDs have been a hobby since 1996, I have no idea what you're talking about.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  A hobbyist making hiring decisions and maintaining a blacklist of professionals who bitch about a change they had no control over? You're not helping.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- tux1968 6y ago
  One small example that i've struggled with is logging. It used to be I could reuse my editor knowledge to search and read log files. Now every time I want to look at a log I have to re-read the man pages to figure out the proper incantation.
  - aganame 6y ago
    Learning new tricks gets harder when we get older. Is that the software’s fault?
    - dijit 6y ago
      You could make several arguments here, but they're all small until you aggregate them. 1) Breaking working systems should be dissuaded, especially when it comes to human interaction. There's a reason that Microsoft still has a start menu and "File/Edit" menu's 2) There is a certain level of arrogance to the notion that a developer of core infrastructure for literally millions of users can just change things and expect everyone to fall in line without giving credible reason for people to do that. 3) Adding an additional tool to everyones cognitive load should be done with care and delicacy, as it stood there was one set of tools for _all_ file accesses, and there is now a new one. PS; on a personal note, I'm glad I do not work with you, I find your attitude in the grandparent comment deplorable.
      - aganame 6y ago
        Yeah, you’re right. I was exaggerating for some reason I don’t recall anymore, a bad day perhaps, too much or too little coffee or something. Who knows. Of course I don’t discriminate at hiring time against people who disagree with me on such a trivial technical detail. Or hunt for them so I can maintain secret lists of undesirables. That would be unethical, probably illegal, and definitely stupid.