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Unemployment compensation is high, so the incentive to show up to work has decreased. They can solve this problem by paying more, although wage increases are h

Unemployment compensation is high, so the incentive to show up to work has decreased. They can solve this problem by paying more, although wage increases are hard to turn back time on. Maybe they should consider "hazard pay" during the pandemic.

hansthehorse 6y ago
In Florida unemployment is a max of 235 dollars for a max of 12 weeks. Nobody is going on unemployment for a raise here.
- stevenmays 6y ago
  +600 from the feds per week. In most states, it is higher.
- emmp 6y ago
  In normal times, true. However unemployment insurance has been significantly boosted by the CARES act during the pandemic
  - WaltPurvis 6y ago
    Even with the CARES act, Amazon employees can't just quit their jobs and choose to collect unemployment instead. People who quit their jobs aren't eligible for unemployment. There are a few exceptions under the CARES act if you can't work because of something directly related to COVID, e.g., if you're a parent who has to take care of children because schools are closed. Being afraid you might catch the coronavirus at work is not a valid reason and would not make you eligible for unemployment payments.
    - shuckles 6y ago
      Parents with kids in school sounds like a large chunk of the workforce, no?
      - WaltPurvis 6y ago
        Perhaps, but I don't know anything about the makeup of Amazon's distribution workforce. Even among parents, I doubt that all of them would leap at the "opportunity" to quit their job just so they can take home slightly more money for a period of four months (which is all the CARES act covers). Surely most people must realize jobs are going to be extremely scarce four months from now, so if you have a job right now you probably should think very hard before throwing it away.
    - aianus 6y ago
      > Amazon employees can't just quit their jobs and choose to collect unemployment instead You're right, they can't. However, the 26 million Americans who have been laid off from other jobs have negative incentive to sign up for a new job with Amazon because the benefits are tied to staying unemployed. That exacerbates the problem for Amazon.
- CalRobert 6y ago
  Except it's now $835 a week, or over $40k a year. You'd have to pay me a lot to get me back to work if I had that option.
  - Scipio_Afri 6y ago
    You just cited the gross income, not what you get after taxes. You still get taxed on that AND you don't have benefits like health insurance - COBRA for continuing health care is expensive as is the alternative, although slightly less so, of paying for health care through an the ACA health care exchanges 100 percent out of your own pocket. For health care all that extra money will more than exceed health insurance for a family of 4. The extra money ends at the end of July. Again, that is gross income NOT net income. That number is pre-tax income, unemployment is taxed just like income at a job. You can choose when filing to defer paying those taxes until when you file, but you do still need to pay them when you file for taxes come April for the previous year. So when you file you'll end up owing money and have to pay the income taxes you never paid. You're definitely still not coming out ahead. So again, the additional 600 as part of the CARES act ends at the end of July. And you have to have to wait one week where you're unemployed - receiving no income - to be able to file. So you also lose one week of earnings no matter what. I don't think most people are coming out ahead on this by far.. it seems maybe a very small majority might briefly come out ahead but they seriously risk it all being canceled out if they're unemployed still past July.
    - jjeaff 6y ago
      If you make $40k for a family of 4, your ACA premiums will be much lower than that.
    - gowld 6y ago
      If you earn $30K/yr you pay very very little taxes, possibly negative
WaltPurvis 6y ago
You can't collect unemployment if you just decide to stop showing up for work. Unless Amazon formally lays you off (and Amazon hasn't laid off anybody) or you fall into one of the very specific categories of COVID-related exceptions, you're eligible for $0 in unemployment.
- Klinky 6y ago
  You might if you can demonstrate that the employer had a hazardous work environment. Given reports of conditions in some Amazon centers, a person could probably make a strong case, especially if they are someone or know someone who falls into a vulnerable category.
- mydongle 6y ago
  During a pandemic like this, you can definitely quit over fears of the virus and for the purpose of social distancing and be eligible for unemployment. I know a number of people who did.
MattGaiser 6y ago
People who quit/get fired/don’t show don’t get unemployment.
- Tempest1981 6y ago
  Although isn't it easy to get fired? Just work a bit too slowly?
  - dwighttk 6y ago
    Start agitating for a union
- ohwaitnvm 6y ago
  Speaking from experience in California - if you are fired but not for misconduct, you may still collect unemployment. There’s certainly a fine line between being bad at your job and actual misconduct, so if someone were so inclined they could probably just be a bad worker long enough to get fired without any specific alleged misconduct. Personally, I’d just quit if that pathway were on my mind, but I understand how people could decided to do this.
8bitsrule 6y ago
Or maybe they could solve this problem by permanently sharing more of their obscene profits with their workers, fully recognizing how essential their sacrifices and contributions (regardless of any 'hazard') are to those profits. If we're not learning that right now, we're rather missing the point of it.

hansthehorse 6y ago

In Florida unemployment is a max of 235 dollars for a max of 12 weeks. Nobody is going on unemployment for a raise here.

stevenmays 6y ago
+600 from the feds per week. In most states, it is higher.
emmp 6y ago
In normal times, true. However unemployment insurance has been significantly boosted by the CARES act during the pandemic
- WaltPurvis 6y ago
  Even with the CARES act, Amazon employees can't just quit their jobs and choose to collect unemployment instead. People who quit their jobs aren't eligible for unemployment. There are a few exceptions under the CARES act if you can't work because of something directly related to COVID, e.g., if you're a parent who has to take care of children because schools are closed. Being afraid you might catch the coronavirus at work is not a valid reason and would not make you eligible for unemployment payments.
  - shuckles 6y ago
    Parents with kids in school sounds like a large chunk of the workforce, no?
    - WaltPurvis 6y ago
      Perhaps, but I don't know anything about the makeup of Amazon's distribution workforce. Even among parents, I doubt that all of them would leap at the "opportunity" to quit their job just so they can take home slightly more money for a period of four months (which is all the CARES act covers). Surely most people must realize jobs are going to be extremely scarce four months from now, so if you have a job right now you probably should think very hard before throwing it away.
  - aianus 6y ago
    > Amazon employees can't just quit their jobs and choose to collect unemployment instead You're right, they can't. However, the 26 million Americans who have been laid off from other jobs have negative incentive to sign up for a new job with Amazon because the benefits are tied to staying unemployed. That exacerbates the problem for Amazon.
CalRobert 6y ago
Except it's now $835 a week, or over $40k a year. You'd have to pay me a lot to get me back to work if I had that option.
- Scipio_Afri 6y ago
  You just cited the gross income, not what you get after taxes. You still get taxed on that AND you don't have benefits like health insurance - COBRA for continuing health care is expensive as is the alternative, although slightly less so, of paying for health care through an the ACA health care exchanges 100 percent out of your own pocket. For health care all that extra money will more than exceed health insurance for a family of 4. The extra money ends at the end of July. Again, that is gross income NOT net income. That number is pre-tax income, unemployment is taxed just like income at a job. You can choose when filing to defer paying those taxes until when you file, but you do still need to pay them when you file for taxes come April for the previous year. So when you file you'll end up owing money and have to pay the income taxes you never paid. You're definitely still not coming out ahead. So again, the additional 600 as part of the CARES act ends at the end of July. And you have to have to wait one week where you're unemployed - receiving no income - to be able to file. So you also lose one week of earnings no matter what. I don't think most people are coming out ahead on this by far.. it seems maybe a very small majority might briefly come out ahead but they seriously risk it all being canceled out if they're unemployed still past July.
  - jjeaff 6y ago
    If you make $40k for a family of 4, your ACA premiums will be much lower than that.
  - gowld 6y ago
    If you earn $30K/yr you pay very very little taxes, possibly negative

WaltPurvis 6y ago

You can't collect unemployment if you just decide to stop showing up for work. Unless Amazon formally lays you off (and Amazon hasn't laid off anybody) or you fall into one of the very specific categories of COVID-related exceptions, you're eligible for $0 in unemployment.

Klinky 6y ago
You might if you can demonstrate that the employer had a hazardous work environment. Given reports of conditions in some Amazon centers, a person could probably make a strong case, especially if they are someone or know someone who falls into a vulnerable category.
mydongle 6y ago
During a pandemic like this, you can definitely quit over fears of the virus and for the purpose of social distancing and be eligible for unemployment. I know a number of people who did.

MattGaiser 6y ago

People who quit/get fired/don’t show don’t get unemployment.

Tempest1981 6y ago
Although isn't it easy to get fired? Just work a bit too slowly?
- dwighttk 6y ago
  Start agitating for a union
ohwaitnvm 6y ago
Speaking from experience in California - if you are fired but not for misconduct, you may still collect unemployment. There’s certainly a fine line between being bad at your job and actual misconduct, so if someone were so inclined they could probably just be a bad worker long enough to get fired without any specific alleged misconduct. Personally, I’d just quit if that pathway were on my mind, but I understand how people could decided to do this.

8bitsrule 6y ago

Or maybe they could solve this problem by permanently sharing more of their obscene profits with their workers, fully recognizing how essential their sacrifices and contributions (regardless of any 'hazard') are to those profits. If we're not learning that right now, we're rather missing the point of it.